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Posted:	12/30/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	As a post script to my previous message, Ranger Wives are very welcome to attend this "Muster", with their Ranger Sponsor. A "special" Ranger Wives event is usually scheduled during the Ranger Muster, and it's normally scheduled when the membership has the annual meeting. This gives the wives something fun and interesting to do. As I mentioned before, the cost of the "Muster" is the same for all attendees, USARA member or not, and the cost also includes our wives. Again, take care Rangers, and have a safe and happy New Year. Joe

Posted:	12/30/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	As the Deputy Director of the Northern Region, US Army Ranger Association, it is my pleasure to announce that the dates for the Army Ranger Muster are 7-11 Sept, 2009. This "Muster" is being sponsored by the Western Region this year, and it's going to be in Las Vegas, Nevada. "Muster" fees for attendance are very inexpensive, and the "Muster" is open to all Rangers. Memebership in USARA is not a requirement to attend. All Rangers (members or not) pay the same fees for attendance which includes Hotel Room, Banquet Fees, and most Activities. For further information, please feel free to e-mail me direct at: jjmattison@verizon.net or you can go on line to US Army Ranger Association, and follow the information as it becomes available, and posted. Take care Rangers....Joe

Posted:	12/30/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Corcoran, I wondered what happened to you. Hope you and Runyon are both well. You ought to be able to find him now.

Posted:	12/28/2008
Name:	Runyon
Message:	Derek E Runyon MSG, USA J3 Training Assessment and Validation, SGM Camp Phoenix, Afghanistan derek.e.runyon@afghan.swa.army.mil (office) derek.e.runyon@us.army.mil (AKO) 318-237-6716 (VOIP) 070-832-3923 (Mobile) This should be all you need to find me..

Posted:	12/28/2008
Name:	RGR Corcoran
Message:	Derek Runyon, Where the heck are you at? I think we are in the same location, but I can't locate you. Well, keep an eye on your top knot, talk to you soon. PC

Posted:	12/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	A Veterans Affairs Update: There is supposed to be a new Out Patient Clinic opening up in Blairsville sometime in 2010. If you don't have a VA Card yet, grab your DD214, and head it off to the nearest VA Facility. You can get enrolled at any Veterans Service Office of the VA, and it's very easy to do. There are many different "Priorities"....and they vary from Service Connected, former POW, etc,...all the way to "low income" Veterans who don't have private health care insurance. The Veterans Health System is an "earned entitlement" that is a result of successful military service, and believe it or not, it "ain't the VA that your father complained about", anymore. Check them out, you may be surprised. Take care Rangers...Joe

Posted:	12/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Greg, don't worry about the spellin....if it were impotent....we would never have been Rangers. Yes, 15 months is a long time. Best to you.

Posted:	12/27/2008
Name:	Greg Baker
Message:	Joe, Sorry, it's been a long day, and sumtimes my spellin' aint to good.

Posted:	12/27/2008
Name:	Greg Baker
Message:	To Joe Madison: We're all doing OK. 15 months is a long time, and it has been costly, but it's finally winding down. Lord willing, we'll be living back in Dahlonega before next Christmas. Hope ya'll have a happy New Year.

Posted:	12/27/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Greg, back to you.....thanks for the update. I have ran into SFC Yazzie's family off and on over the years at places that it was quite a coincidence. Concerning Gilbert....I heard that he had died. I can't confirm how, when or where, but that's what I heard. How are you doing? Joe

Posted:	12/27/2008
Name:	Greg Baker
Message:	Joe, I've asked our SGT Yazzie if he knows or is related to (SFC) Gilbert Yazzie. He is not aware of any relation. Both Navajo and from the same general area, though. I wonder how Gilbert is doing nowadays. I haven't seen or heard from him in many years.

Posted:	12/27/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Greg Baker: Yazzie? Is she any relation to SFC Yazzie who served as an RI at CFM in the 80s? Joe

Posted:	12/27/2008
Name:	Greg Baker
Message:	The family of one of our soldiers lost their home to a fire on the night of December 23rd. His mother and sister were not seriously injured, but lost everything they had. If anyone wants to help out with clothes or monetary donations, names, sizes, and addresses are as follows: Patricia Tsosie, age 48, shirt- med, pants - 29 x 34, jacket - med, socks - med Aurelia Yazzie, age 15, shirt- med. pants - 7, shoes- 9, jacket- med, socks - med PO Box #4406 Blue Gap, AZ 86520 Thanks, Greg Baker

Posted:	12/25/2008
Name:	Jim Owens
Message:	From Jim and Judy * We wish you all a "Very Merry Xmas and hope you have a Wonderful New Year"...... *There is no greater bond than that of the RANGERS, for those who have never walked in our shoes will never understand what it is, and especially for those who willingly walked beside you into the unknown.... that bond is unbreakable. To ALL of the RANGERS in harms way.... MERRY XMAS, God Speed and come home with all your fingers and toes...... JIM & JUDY

Posted:	12/25/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	From Ross and Sharon, have a safe and Happy Christmas to all Rangers and their families, especially to you boys across the pond. We hold you in our hearts, but that's where Christmas lives, isn't it?

Posted:	12/24/2008
Name:	RGR Bob Copeland
Message:	A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAY TO ALL RANGERS PAST AND PRESENT. A SINCERE THANK-YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO ALL AND ESPECIALLY THOSE DEPLOYED AROUND THE WORLD IN HARMS WAY!! STAY SAFE AND KEEP THE FAITH!! HAVE A GREAT NEW YEAR 2009! HOOAH!!!!RLTW!!!! RGR Bob Copeland E75TH RGR(ABN) RVN 1969-70

Posted:	12/24/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Merry Christmas to all Rangers and their Families wherever you may be, from the Partens, Al, Tammy, and Brittany. A.P.

Posted:	12/23/2008
Name:	Greg Baker
Message:	Merry Christmas Mountain Rangers and everybody back in Dahlonega.

Posted:	12/23/2008
Name:	David Lopez
Message:	Wishing all Rangers and their loved ones a Happy and Safe Holiday Season. Miss ya'll in Georgia but the sun is always shining in California. Keep Climbing, RLTW

Posted:	12/23/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Jan and I want to say Merry Christmas to all of our Ranger friends and families. We hope that all of you are able to spend the time at home with your families. Perhaps next Christmas will be a safer world to live in. Until then, take care of yourselves, no matter where you are, or what you're doing. Merry Christmas.

Posted:	12/20/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	When I was 64 API Shawn assisted me several times at the Hawk CP. He talked about being involved in a Huey crash and survived. He was not into the details as it bothered him emotionaly. He was also serving as S-3 NCO and got messed with by everyone calling him Fat- Pat. A. P.

Posted:	12/19/2008
Name:	Mike Flack
Message:	I was staff duty officer the day that crash happened. I didn't recall that there were any survivors. I remember the day well. It was rainy and you couldn't see from one end of Mosby Airfield to the other, but that pilot said he could do it.

Posted:	12/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I just received an e-mail from Ranger James Speicher who was a member of C co. Rangers (Opfor Company) from 1974-1977. He was apparently reading our message board and sent me further information about the UH1H Helicopter Crash on Akin Mountain back in March, 1976. He confirms that the two who survived that crash were both from Charlie Rangers and they were; Ranger Shawn Patterson (who later served at CFM) and Ranger Albert Helwig (who he believes was medically discharged). He also went on to add an internet site that shows photos and a newspaper article about the crash. Go to: www.armyaircrews.com/huey.html

Posted:	12/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	As a follow on to my last message, Deadline for application for the Scholarship at Georgia Southern is: 1 February 09. Go to US Army Ranger Association, scroll down the home page topics and some photos. You'll see the posting, and the "thumbnail" to lead you to the application site.

Posted:	12/15/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I'd like to take a moment to make sure that all Rangers who have college eligible children or grandchildren, are aware of the Ranger Haywood Scholarship at Georgia Southern, in Statesboro, Georgia. If you have a child or grandchild, who is looking for a way to get a full sholarship (tuition and books), to attend college, go to the US Army Ranger Association "home page" (on line). You'll find the posting of this topic near the top. Georgia Southern is much like the opposite of North Georgia, only larger. It's located in Statesboro, Georgia, appx. 50-60 miles northwest of Savannah. The school offers a full curriculum of many programs to include Nursing. Ranger Haywood was a Ranger who served with a Ranger Company, in Korea. This scholarship is for 4 years. I'm very familiar with Statesboro and the local area. My wife and I own a (one day) "winter retirement home", very close to Statesboro, and we have a nephew who is attending Georgia Southern. This really is a great opportunity for someone who is interested. Just a "tip"....Joe

Posted:	12/15/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	The annual US Army Ranger Association's "Annual Ranger Muster" (ARM), is going to be held in Las Vegas in 2009. I'll post more details as they become available.

Posted:	12/14/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Ramsey was seen two days ago with an NGCSU uniform collecting money at Walmart. When Jarrard takes over as sheriff he will probably return to duty, but not yet. Keep running those stop signs. The Ranger Ball was last night. Good crowd, lots of fun. Col Flohr was the guest speaker. It was good to see him again. We'll send photos to Bob for this website, and post them also on my site. Highlite of the evening for me was meeting two Merrill's Marauders. Not many of those guys left. They got a long standing ovation.

Posted:	12/13/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	Ramsey a deputy again?? Ohhh funnnn....guess I'll need to trade my slow hybrid in for another sports car (gas is cheap enough now) and hit the road up Dahlonega way. I think we were up for a race the last time I went thru his roadblock. Christmas is coming, so look for me up that way soon, Ramsey. I got family there....and I think you know where they live. hehehe

Posted:	12/12/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ramjet and I are both "Pepsi Generation" Rangers. Not only did we serve at Camp Merrill together on two separate ocassions, but we were also 1SGs together in 3rd Ranger Battalion. I had A co., and he had C co. In fact, his Company Commander at the time was Al Dochnal. Glad to know he's back with Lumpkins finest! Take care Doug.

Posted:	12/12/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Roy Close. Roger Ramjet is not only a deputy, he will be the Chief Deputy.You had better stop at the yield signs also.He will do good.He advised that he would be on the look-out for others of the pepsi period.Watch out Joe.RLTW..

Posted:	12/12/2008
Name:	Roy.Close
Message:	Runyon you giving Doug a hard time about checking his e-mails you need to check yours slappy! Tell Chad to e-mail me too whilst your doing it. By the way heard Ramjet is a Lumpkin County Deputy again so I guess that means when I come visit I will actually have to start stopping at stop signs in Lumpkin County again! Take care Rangers. RLTW Roy

Posted:	12/12/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Good messages all, and thanks for the updates. Yea Steve, I remember well when the Tankers wore Black Berets, and they had been wearing them since WWII. It was their history also, coming from the British Armored Units of WWII. They were pretty PO'd when told to take off the black berets. Oh well....such is life, and it went around in full circle. To Ranger Runyon: It doesn't take "rank" per se....but it does take ability. Obviously you have it!! Now, keep your body armor on, and your head down. Also, don't "pee" into the wind. Take care...PS: Damned snow....got another full foot of it last night!! Just about wore out my snow blower. Our little 5 year old says that it's needed for Santa, and his reindeer....I have my .444 ready!

Posted:	12/12/2008
Name:	Runyon
Message:	Some of you may find this interesting. SGM Roy showed it to me and you may find some long lost friends here. http://army.togetherweserved.com/army/index.jsp

Posted:	12/11/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Rangers May I add some little known history. Let's go back to 1974 at Camp Stewart. Camp Stewart was commanded by a full Colonal by the name of Detrick. COL Detrick came up through the ranks starting as a young paratrooper in 1943 with the 82nd. First man I ever met with a combat star from WWII. There was an armor unit on Camp Stewart at the time. They maintained all the armor for the National Guard and had a small mission and some historical background. When we arrived , the tankers wore Black berets. COL Detrick, who was extremely proud to have an airborne unit on Camp Stewart ordered the Commanding officer of the 69th to take off the black berets, because the Black Beret belonged to the Rangers. There were several strong disagreements between tankers of the 69th and the Rangers the first few months there. I don't think that the 69th Commander, Major Shinseki ever forgave and is apparent he ever forgot about losing his black beret. He may be just what the VA needs, becasue he apparently never forgets to right a wrong. After all he waited 30 years to get his beret back. Joe, I don't doubt his abilities, but I still question his motives and will never trust him wholeheartedly until he proves me wrong. Steve

Posted:	12/11/2008
Name:	Runyon
Message:	I been checking this lately, Starts alot of conversation around the room.Like you guys, the VA appointment has been a big topic. I looked back at the wikipedia bio as CSM Mattison said, and discovered that my thoughts on the GEN(R) where soley based on the beret. As i read i realized that was nieve. If you haven't read his memorandum to Rumsfeld upon hid retirement, you may want to. CSM Mattison, SGM Roy told me to tell you " I'm proof that a MSG could to the job of a SGM all along". I'm not sure what he ment by that, you may. Doug, Chad said eata %#^^. He's on the way home.

Posted:	12/11/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Welcome Ranger Delamatar and Ranger Casey, Ranger Course Grads 1958 and 1963! Ranger Casey was a BDQ Advisor as well.

Posted:	12/11/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Doug, Shinseki has two Purple Hearts. He's also missing 1/2 of a foot. He continued to serve on active duty with only 1/2 of a foot. Thats the primary reason why he didn't serve with Light Infantry, Ranger or SF Units, after Viet Nam. Google him up...."General Shinseki Biography".

Posted:	12/11/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Yea Doug, they did. Bancroft couldn't supply the bulk number required in a short time, so a Contracting Officer found an American firm that promised Black Berets in bulk numbers required in a short period of time. As they say....the contract went to the lowest bidder. The contractor then turned around and subcontracted with all kinds of Beret makers of which numerous Chinese companies were awarded subcontracts....hence the famous "Chinese Connection" on the first "batch" of berets. Shinseki stood up and took the heat....he was the Chief of Staff, and he basically said....it was my Contracting Officer, and through him, my contract with Chinese beret makers. He took full responsibility. Still didn't change anything. We now have many Rangers who have fought and died and never knew anything but the Tan Beret. The beret thing is something I think....that we need to move on...over. I wore one off and on (much more on then off) for almost 26 years. I like you didn't like it, but I'm over it. Tan is ok by me now, and after saying all of this, I think I might pick me up a Tan Beret at the next Ranger Convention that I go to. I'll always have my "Black Beret", but maybe it's time to retire it to my wall of souveniers, and memories.

Posted:	12/11/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Joe. Anybody know where S---seki got his purple heart// Joe ,Bancroft cap company was the # one place to buy all caps and berets for the armed services.The General ordered 5 million from the chinee when the beret change was made.Only time will tell>RLTW..

Posted:	12/11/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Doug: Just read your message. I agree with your thought regarding our Black Beret. I had the honor of serving in 1st Cav with 2/5 Cav when Shinseki took over as the Division Commander. I can tell you that believes in Decentralization, and Efficiency. In many ways, the VA (like any other large Governmental Organization) needs a "cleaning out" and "cleaning up" from time to time, and I think that Shinseki may be the man who's able to do that. The VA not only handles Health Care for Millions of Veterans, but also handles Education, Vocational Retraining, Job Placement, Alcohol and Drug Abuse Detoxification and Rehabilitation. There are several things that I can think of that can use a "little help" from the "Top Down" and for the first time in a long time, they finally appointed a VA Secretary who is able to effectively Command and Control multiple processes, and systems. Someone who isn't afraid to "break the glass" in order to make all of our VA systems more accessible, and more convenient to the Veterans. Take a look at your case or mine as an example. We may have a VA clinic somewhere close by, but getting into a clinic for the common cold, as a "walk in" is very difficult. The VA Hospitals are usually in large metropolis areas only, and for those who live in Dahlonega as an example, have to travel to Atlanta for anything that can't be handled at a Clinic. Many have suggested that maybe....the Veteran who is service connected, should be able to use his/her VA Card at any Doctor of choice, or any hospital of choice, and that the bills would be paid by the VA....much like TRICARE. This is what John McCain wanted to do if he were elected President. I think that Shinseki has a "mandate" that only a few know about, and Shinseki/McCain are personal friends. Yea, he caused the Beret Change, and in honor of those past as well as those present....we still wear the beret of choice. I wear black at Ranger Functions, but others wear Tan....and thats ok. In other ways....I think that this just may be the appointment that the Veterans need. I leave these comments as a Priority #1, Disabled American, with a 60% Disability. The system isn't really Veteran "user" friendly to those of us who don't live near a VA Medical Center. Time will tell Doug, but I wouldn't sell him short yet. He may bring with him some good and positive changes all meant for the improvement of Veteran Systems to include Health Care. Time will tell Doug. I say give him a chance. He was a pretty good Division Commander of 1st Cavalry Divison, and it was he who reworked the Division deployment concept by changing the systems to Deployable "Stand Alone" Brigades. Even Schoomacher agreed with that plan, which is how Divisions are now organized. I say, give him a chance....but he does need to be counselled heavily about that beret change that he did, but then again, he was the Chief of Staff when he did it, and he wanted a better Army then what we had at the time. Also...he was bold enough to take on Rumsfeld back when Rumsfeld kept reassuring the American People that we had enough "boots on the ground in Iraq"....and Shinseki told the Senate Armed Service Committee that Rumsfeld remarks are "B.S.". Yep, Shinseki was forced into retirement right on the heels of that, but he was right.....hense the "surge" is what it finally took. Still, though...I sure do wish Rangers were back in Black Berets! Oh well, I guess I'll survive.

Posted:	12/11/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Rangers.. President elect has named Gen. Shinseki to head up our VA.This is the same @#$%! that took my Black Beret away from my Rangers and gave it to the Army.I wonder what he has in mind for us that depends on the VA??I think that we are in for a bad day with this appointment, but only time will tell. RLTW/

Posted:	12/10/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Just wanted all to know that there is a Scholarship availability for any Children or Grandchildren of Rangers. The Scholarship is available to those who qualify, and attending Georgia Southern, in Statesboro, Ga. For further information, go to the webpage of the US Army Ranger Association. I don't know the application details, but by using the website, you should be able to find the USARA point of contact.

Posted:	12/10/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Runyon. I wish I were there I bet you are having one hell of a time with Burrows, Remember when he fell off my load of hay over by Woody Lake.He did one hell of a PLF when he hit the pavement.The Military Xmas ball is Sat. I will miss all of you.Derek to all of you watch yer top=knots and hurry back to the home land.RLTW

Posted:	12/10/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	"SGM" Roy! How about that! Give him my regards, and take care of yourself.

Posted:	12/10/2008
Name:	Runyon
Message:	I'm here in Kabul listening to stories about CSM Mattison from the SGM i'm replacing. Stories of monkeys and ambushes in Panama from SGM Roy. Also looked back at the good times had from 1998-2001 with Chad Burrow. Those Roy Close stories alway make me laugh. Doug, Chad said hello.

Posted:	12/9/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross: Save me 5 copies of your new book!

Posted:	12/8/2008
Name:	Runyon
Message:	Doug, Do you ever check your e-mail? Maybe it changed! I made it. I been seeing alot of Mark Keith and Jerry Massey. I found out the other day that The Chicken Hawk is here, getting ready to leave. I should get a chance to see him in a few days. Hope all is well.

Posted:	12/8/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Thanks Amie. Rangers I urge everyone who knew Sink to follow Amie's message and go on line to sign the guest book and put your message on line to Sink's family.RLTW.

Posted:	12/8/2008
Name:	amie close
Message:	Doug I just happen to be reading the Fayetteville Observer and it had some info on Mike Sinkovitz , a memorial service will be held Wens.at 4pm. on Dec.10th at the Reeves Auditorium at the Methodist university in Fayetteville and then funeral services will be held Fri. Feb 13th 2009 at 3pm at Arlington National Cemetary in Arlington Va. In lieu of flowers the family requests that memorials be made in his name to The Walter Reed Society OIF/OEF Family Support Fund, PO BOX 596 , Walter Reed Station, Washington D.C. 20012 and online condolances can be made to www.wilmingtonburialand creamation.com, hope this info helps Amie

Posted:	12/8/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Jimmie, Do you remember Champion driving his car off the bank at the hair pin turn just about a mile before Camp? He actually did go airborne....his car got stuck in the tree, and the tow truck pulled it out of the tree, but it dropped the full length of that tree, that was below the embankment and got smashed. Totalled out the car. Never saw anything like that before or ever again. Miracle he lived.

Posted:	12/7/2008
Name:	Jim Owens
Message:	MCELLIOTT-- I was going through some old, I mean OLD, pictures and I found several pic's of You and your Brown "T-Top Z28". The one which was so hard to handle on "Camp Road" when You kicked in the after burners. Just looking at those photo's of the "Z" after the accident -- Your were very, very lucky, ? Did you get to count that as a "Jump" on your Jump Log since you did go "AIRBORNE" in that "Z". Is this how you earned that nick name "WILD MAN"....? JOE, sorry took so long to get back to you, Judy and I are doing fine, compared to every one else down here in Florida. We are both looking forward to a great holiday with the Kids and grand kids coming for Christmas. Florida got hit really hard on the housing foreclosures. That ARMY retirement and Medical benefit sure paid "BIG" dividends, alot of folks are loosing their retirement do to their Companies going out of business. We had 21 foreclosures in my subdivision of 153 holmes and more are running out of time. I still think the worst has not hit us, it will definitely get worse with the snow ball effect, which is coming----. In duval county our holmes have dropped about 28%, with it still on the down slide in value. Judy and I hope "Everyone and their Families" have a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. **** MCELLIOTT, I sure liked that "Z".

Posted:	12/6/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I just read where General(R) Shinseki has been named the new Secretary of the Veterans Administration (VA). Didn't he serve at Camp Merrill at one time?

Posted:	12/6/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Al, for your troubles I will certainly give you a copy of that most rare and priceless photo. Now, let everyone figure out what photo that is.

Posted:	12/6/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Not too worry Ross, I am sure they'll show up. I still want a copy of that other photo we discussed. Vice Chair my ass !! I got enough worries being the CCO Cdr. See ya . A.P.

Posted:	12/6/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	To those few who were at the last meeting, did anyone pick up an envelope with photos inside? Yes, Al, they were yours. Not to worry, I can print them out again. Joe, you haven't answered about the weight of your deer. Congrats to Hawk, still Chairman, and Rhodes, new Vice Chair. Sorry, Al. Also Brian Cunningham taking over as Secretary.

Posted:	12/6/2008
Name:	Dan Rhodes
Message:	Yeah, you were elected Vice Chairman. See what happens when you aren't there!

Posted:	12/5/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Rangers, sorry I missed the meeting last night. I have Pneumonia, stuck at home. Anything of importance happen ? A.P.

Posted:	12/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Doug: My deepest regards to the loss of your friend "Sink". I have heard his name mentioned before. It's hard to lose a fellow Ranger, Friend, and former Combat buddy. My deepest regards, I truly am sorry about the loss. To all others, thanks for your congrats. I'll think about the CCO....and yes Doug, I wanted to make sure that all of you had a good time at the CCO....don't know how long $200.00 will last, but have one for me if I don't make it. Again Doug,....really sorry about your friend. He was another, "American Hero"......Take care. Joe

Posted:	12/4/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Joe Pilon checked in and advised that Sink was killed Sunday pm and that he wound up under the vehicle. He was in ICU he developed pneumonia and his back was real messed up.Hey if I hear anything else I will post.RLTW>

Posted:	12/4/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Mike Martin just called and said that Ranger Mike Sinkovitz (sink) was killed in a car wreck yesterday around the Ft. Bragg area.Sink was with the PRU's and team 162 in Nam.This is all I know at this time.Sink was the best of buddies with Mike Smith, while Mike was bad ill Sink came down and built a porch for mike to sit on in the last days.Sink will be missed bu all who knew him.RIP SINK.RLTW.

Posted:	12/4/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Joe, I'm curious. I saw a nine-point taken down around Macon and he weighed 235 pounds after he was gutted. Up here in the mountains the same deer would be substantially smaller. Just not enough acorns I guess. What did your deer weigh? A guess would work.

Posted:	12/3/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Ya bring it, I'll cook it. RLTW A.P.

Posted:	12/3/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Pepsi Joe. Grats on the 10, Now you freeze that old Yankee buck from the Mohawk Valley of upstate NeuYark and bring it on down to the CCO and let us Southern Gentlemen taste it.Al Parton our CCOC would like to put your meat on the grill or smoker.Thanks Joe for the generous check you sent us.Get back to me on email.RLTW>

Posted:	12/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Bill. Nice tip. Never heard the ring connection, but if thats how you count it, make it a ten point. You are absolutely correct....many a season, I put doe in the Freezer and it tasted just fine! The racks only take up wall space anyway. I sure do like that Bulk sausage SOS and for those who have never tried it, I recommend it highly. Some good old fashioned down home gravy and fried Deer Sausage "bulk style"....man, makes me want to back to sleep after eating it.

Posted:	12/3/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	Joe, The rule I've always followed is...if you can hang a ring on it? its a point. course the other rule is...ya cant eat antlers. Happy and safe Hollidays to all

Posted:	12/1/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Jimmy, Wellllll, it's actually 8 points with two small spikes, so I guess it's 8 or 10 depending on how you count them. It's not a Boone and Crocket record, but it sure looks real good on the Dinner plate. I like it prepared as "chopped steak" for dinner, and I like the "bulk sausage" made up as SOS poured over grits and eggs for breakfast. I used my trusty Marlin Lever Action .444 with the new Leveready ammo that came out of couple of years ago. It extended the range from a solid 150 yards to 300 yards, dead on. When you hit a deer with that big a bullet, they don't even know that they were killed. It just about knocks the rack off from em. I scope in just behind the the shoulder....takes everything out and drops em flat. They don't even give that tell tale "grunt"....just lays em out like Bambi on the ice pond. How are you doing anyway?

Posted:	12/1/2008
Name:	Jim Owens
Message:	Joe, I saw a training film of a guy that was cold one time and if I remember correctly it snowed on him to. That was 10 points ya say--took'em down with one shot from a rusty old long arm -- that must'a been a BIG FREEEEZER -- Happy Holidays--- Jim

Posted:	11/30/2008
Name:	steve woodring
Message:	Well guys im not sure about any snow and all that but I had to put on a shirt over my t shirt because it had gotten down to the low 70s down here in the sunny south.I happen to like the cold though, it saves me from haveing to get up and get my beer instead I just leave them beside the hot tub and they chill themselves .We all must do our part to conserve energy you understand. You all have a great holiday now ya hear. Steve woodring RLTW

Posted:	11/30/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	You're all over it!

Posted:	11/30/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Joe, is it the snow getting deeper or another 4 letter word beginning with "s" thats getting deeper. ?? BwaHaHaHa !

Posted:	11/30/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Nice 10 point sitting in the freezer. Snow is getting deeper.

Posted:	11/30/2008
Name:	Bud Huber
Message:	All, I would like to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving, and a great holiday season!! RLTW Bud OBTW~ If in vicinity Kuwait..drop me a line.

Posted:	11/27/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Hope all you Rangers at home and abroad have a good day and lots of good food. From Tammy, Britt and I, Happy Thanksgiving. Stay Safe wherever you may be. A.P.

Posted:	11/27/2008
Name:	Greg Baker
Message:	Happy Thanksgiving, Ranger Buddies. We had a good meal in our chow hall here in Iraq. CSM Pete Roethke and the BC came out and helped serve chow to the company. I had my Iraqi Sergeant Major counterpart over, and I guess it made a big impression on him. He told me afterward that he had never seen officers and senior NCOs eating with their soldiers, let alone serving them. Now he wants me to drag all the Iraqi officers over to chow so they can learn to eat with their soldiers, too. Can't wait to see that!

Posted:	11/27/2008
Name:	Mike Flack
Message:	As I sit here warm and dry this Thanksgiving Day, I am reminded of the most memorable Thanksgiving I ever had. It was Thanksgiving Day 1974. I was a Tac Officer and my class was in the Mountain Phase. They came in off of RM1R33 (if I remember the numbers after all these years) on Thanksgiving Day. As usual, the students looked pretty poor. They got cleaned up and went in to the Thanksgiving meal around 1700 hrs. It was a great meal as all meals in the MRC dining facility were. After the meal, various people, me and others felt the need to say something. That turned into an impromptu talent show. One of our Cambodian students sang "Delilah" and sounded just like Tom Jones. Everybody joined in on the chorus. Then a couple of students from Ghana did a war dance. I finally had to put a stop to it so they could get ready to go back to Ft. Benning the next day. Through all of it, the cooks stood by and waited. They should have been cleaning up to go home for the day, but they never said a word, just let us enjoy the time there. I have always been grateful for that. One of the students was a young Captain named George Casey. He has a pretty good job now and I take full credit for his success. It was just a good time and I can't ever sit down on Thanksgiving Day without thinking about that one. All the best to Rangers and their families everywhere. RLTW!

Posted:	11/27/2008
Name:	Runyon
Message:	Happy Thanksgiving to all you tracking Rangers abroad. Thanks for the friendship and support. Anyone needing a rest stop in Kabul drop me a line. RLTW

Posted:	11/26/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	I am thankful for all my Ranger buds. Sharon and I wish you all a Merry, uh, Happy Thanksgiving. Please eat too much.

Posted:	11/26/2008
Name:	Joe and Jan Mattison
Message:	We just want to say Happy Thanksgiving to all of our friends.

Posted:	11/24/2008
Name:	Joe Nowak
Message:	Cecil, I got a couple laying around.Email me your snail mail address and I'll send you couple of each. Class A and OD. jnowak@alltel.net Steve, I know we talked about it, did I ever get you one ? Joe

Posted:	11/24/2008
Name:	Cecil Sager
Message:	Hi Steve Hawk I am trying to locate a copy of the old original 1/75 th scroll. if you know of any place to find one it would be nice if you could send it to me I must be looking at all the wrong places on the net. thanks Sager

Posted:	11/23/2008
Name:	Mark Jordan
Message:	...a fitting way to settle good brotherly disputes might be indian leg wrestling, two out of three, up at Hawk Mountain, weather friendly... ...rock, paper, scissors could be a contingency plan back at the club... ...i enjoy the moments fellows, that we can still look into each others' eyes...may that which binds us allow such good times for old bulls to be sparring in the fields... ...maybe some of the RI's will remember back in '80, before the new class arrived, we were all in the classroom... ...SGM Moose Monroe gets up and lays into it thick, giving all sorts of good reasons why we should tuck our tails and run... ...MAJ Sam Matthews, Camp XO, follows and uses less cuss words and tobacco spit... ...LTC H Paul Blount, new Camp Commander, turns to me in the front row and says, "S1, you got anything to say?"... ...still mulling over how Moose Monroe could say, "leeyutinnt" and make it sound like some original cuss word, i found myself quite unprepared to follow suit as the others had... ...besides, after TACing Class 6-80, my plans were to take over '31 after having had '33 for a year... ...as i got up, noticing the glint in Blount's eyes, i faced the entire camp and said... ..."as far as I'm concerned, I think you're all doing a great job!"... ...did not make eye contact with the colonel at all that day forth, but did remind him i was the morale officer too... ...now steve sees santa claus...oh that show pm magazine had you, steve, camo'ing up the virginia gunn hostess of that show...do you or anyone have a copy of that tape?...my 12 yr old won't believe it... ...thanks and May the Big Ranger in the Sky fill your hearts and season with His Love, Joy and Peace... RTLW! Mark

Posted:	11/22/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Rangers. Just talked to Bob Wages, who was in Knoxville with Jack Daniels.Jack is in high spirits as he has just had two cararacts operations. I talked to him and he asked for all of his Ranger Buddies to pray for him.Jack stated that he did not want to leave the rehab center because they was doing wonders for him. Thanks Bob Wages for going to see Ranger Jack and giving us this update.Jack stated that to please call him.Jack said that Ranger Tom Wilburn had called him and that had raised his spirits about 97%. Thanks Tom for being there.RLTW>

Posted:	11/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Steve Hawk and Doug Perry, I just mailed you out some interesting reading published by the VA. I sent it to the CFM (USMRA) address for the both of you.

Posted:	11/19/2008
Name:	Brian Cunningham
Message:	Ross: When I arrived at CFM in June 1975, LTC Guillory and SGM Carl Jones. After Ken Guillory left (late 75 or early 76) LTC Ray Scheutze became the Cdr, CFM - Carl Jones was still there at that time. Indeed, both were still there when I left in Jan 77.

Posted:	11/18/2008
Name:	McELLIOTT
Message:	HERE YA GO WILDMAN 1(760)889-2647. YOU SHOULDN'T BE BATHING WITH THOSE BUFFLO CHICKS IN THE RIVER. SAVE ME A PLACE IN LINE BROTHER!! RGR MAC

Posted:	11/18/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	AUBREY!! There you are!! Gotta email addy or phone # for your sis? Hope all is well with you and yours! ~Cookie

Posted:	11/18/2008
Name:	bill manning
Message:	mac, give me a call so i can get your # AGAIN,i had to get a new phone,lost my old one in the yellowstone river, thats another story.

Posted:	11/17/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Whats the latest on Ranger Jack Daniels ?

Posted:	11/17/2008
Name:	Roy Close
Message:	Doug Perry and Tom Wilburn, Rangers sorry it took so long to get back to you still getting settled in here. I have leave 29 Nov-7 Dec will be in Ohio for deer season you are all still welcome. Doug I have heaters for inside the shelter to warm them old bones! If you need a cot tell me I will have it. I can get you a comfortable chair and we will drive the deer to you if need be "Old Man" Call me on my Cell (408)242-6318 if you want to drive to Bragg and ride up with me that is okay too, Amie and Gus would love to see you. Tom I sent you a e-mail on your AKO hope to here from ya'll. RLTW Roy

Posted:	11/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Looking forward to your book. Good job Ross, and thanks for what your doing....Joe

Posted:	11/17/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Yes, Joe, the years do overlap. Not really worried about the years so much as pairing commanders with SMGs. Need to hear from Perry, Rice, anybody from the 60s. Got a good start though. Thanks to all and to those who emailed. Will make phone calls to some older Rangers. Keep it coming and we'll teach the RTB something about keeping records.

Posted:	11/16/2008
Name:	McELLIOTT
Message:	CSM QUIRK WAS WITH LTC SHUETZE IN JULY 76 WHEN TILSON AND I FIRST GOT INTO CAMP.

Posted:	11/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Re-reading...I'll be honest with you, I don't remember SGM Quirk? I can't place him, and I served at that time.

Posted:	11/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Ross, The names look pretty good, it's the suquence that needs a little "tweaking". Commanders and SGM/CSMs generally "overlap" meaning that a Commander assumes Command and the SGM/CSM is usually already there. Some exceptions yes, and this is a general statement only. In my case...I arrived at Camp Merrill in 96 and Luke Green was the Commander. One year later, Al Dochnal took Command. One year later, I retired. My time at Camp as the CSM was actually 96-98. SGM Richardson preceded SGM Monroe. Monroe was the "acting" SGM at Camp as a 1SG at the end of Hawkins and the beginning of Terrell. During Terrels time, Monroe was promoted to SGM. This was when Lonnie Miller became the 2nd Ranger Co. 1SG, after Monroe moved to the SGM slot, after Richardson. I can fill those pieces of your puzzle into place. Not a bad "first cut"...in fact, you've brought in a few names that I had forgotten about. Take care..Joe

Posted:	11/15/2008
Name:	Mike Flack
Message:	Ross, I got to the MRC in August 1973 and Ken Guillory was already there. Carl Jones was CSM.

Posted:	11/15/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Rangers, this is an inadequate list of the commanders and SMG of the Mountain Camp, particularly early on. This list came from the RTB. It's all they have. Unbelievable. I know there was an LTC Don Smith in there somewhere temporarily, and I know SGM Richardson may be listed out of place slightly. Will you help fill this in? Perry, you can really help here. 1952 Major (he was 1Lt) Ralph Puckett 1952-54 LTC Tobert Sadler SFC James Boseman 1954-56 MAJ John Chaffeur 1956-58 LTC George Byerly 1958-60 LTC Christopher Gooch 1960-62 LTC Dan Prewitt 1962-63 LTC Dame 1963-65 LTC Tassey 1965-66 LTC Brown 1966-68 MAJ Acre 1968-70 LTC Hapersett 1970-72 LTC Shalikashvili 1972-74 LTC Edwin “Moose” Yon 1974-76 LTC Kenneth Guillary SGM Hoyt Wilson 1976-78 LTC Raymond Schuetze SGM Carl Jones 1978-80 LTC Eugene Hawkins SGM McBroom 1980-82 LTC Howard Blount SGM Quirk 1982-84 LTC Thompson Terrell SGM Monroe 1984-86 LTC J. D. Kirby SGM Fletcher 1986-88 LTC John Rusin SGM Richardson SGM Hall 1988-90 LTC Albert Brownfield SGM Miller 1990-92 LTC John Donovan CSM Luis Palacios 1992-93 LTC Brian Pentecost CSM John Edmunds 1993-95 LTC Ralph D’elosua CSM Luis Palacios 1995-97 LTC Luke Green CSM Joseph Mattison 1997-99 LTC Alfred Dochnal CSM Edwin Nelson 1999-01 LTC Keith Antonia CSM Byron Barron 2001-03 LTC Tim Flynn CSM Byron Barron 2003-05 LTC Douglas Flohr CSM Samuel Costen/Glenn Legg 2006-07 LTC Michael Pemrick CSM Glenn Legg (to Jan 07) 2007- LTC Kyle Lear CSM Pfrogner

Posted:	11/14/2008
Name:	Mark Jordan
Message:	I'm on a shakedown tour with my new truck-living idea, right now on skidaway island looking to go over towards hunter aaf tomorrow... ...i hope to find some knowhow in using that new iowa company's flexible solar panels being developed for army tents... ...i use a cpap now for sleeping and have to rig up a solar repowered battery system... ...so, with all that said, anyone know anyone over at hunter or stewart more up on the particulars of how to do all this?... ...thank you all for your patronage and use of my counseling website, especially you tom, for creating this particular one for the association (i am the guy at last meeting with the "santa" beard)... ...the website... www.peace-joy-love.org has had some #1 ratings on google frequently...and i'm still doing it for that most desirable price... ...keeping my suches po box, but enjoying nature photography, peace and freedom like never before... ...see you soon again hopefully, along the tvd...

Posted:	11/12/2008
Name:	J Massey
Message:	1SG Runyon, I can be found at the Alamo or a few miles east at Blackhorse. I have the UAH program.

Posted:	11/12/2008
Name:	Cathy Beck
Message:	I posted this letter yesterday (I thought) but here it is again. THANKS! MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU! Also, on behalf of thanking all military CASHA' Hair Studio (my daughter is 1/2 owner) is offering $5.00 haircuts to ALL military, retired or active thru Saturday. They are also offering 20% off to all military spouses and children with the proper I.D. This discount goes for cuts, styles, color, and curls. CASHA' is located across the street from Banister Funeral Home, 2065 Hwy 19 Business N Ste B, it is in the location of where the old BBQ Place use to be. The phone number is 706-864-5888 and walk-ins are welcome. Please call and make appointment with either Casey or Tasha and take advantage of this great discount. Ross, this also pertains to you and Sharon, God Bless you both! Visit their webstite at www.cashahairstudio.com.

Posted:	11/11/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	90 years ago on this date, the First World War ended, at 11 AM European Time. We honored this date with the name Armistice Day and it remained so, until the 1950s. After WWII and Korea, the name was changed to Veterans Day, to honor all Veterans, of all Wars and all periods of Service. For details regarding the First World War, I have to defer those questions to Doug and Earl. To all Veterans, thanks for your service.

Posted:	11/9/2008
Name:	darrell e hansen
Message:	Steve The gathering at the new Purple Heart Memorial, with the CFM Chaplian speaking was nice. Doug and you are looking well. Keep up the great work. Hope the money helps the young soldiers up at camp. Darrell

Posted:	11/9/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Good Veterans Day Parade in Dahlonega yesterday. Ranger done good, Dan Rhodes. A. P.

Posted:	11/7/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Fellow Rangers The Holiday season approaches fast, First let me offer my warmest greetings for you and yours in the upcoming Thanksgiving and Christmas Season. Agian it's time that I ask for your donations to the Christmas Fund. As you know we provide all of the donated Christmas Fund to the 5th RTB to assist those less fortunate than ourselves. All can remember how difficult it was to make ends meet and provide Christmas for your family at Christmas time when you were a young Ranger. The same holds true today for our active duty guys. Especially in todays economic stress. Rangers, if every member gave five dollars to the Christmas fund, we could provide a great Christmas for those in need. Send your donations to the address listed on the web page and mark your donation for the Christmas fund. Rangers Lead the Way Steve Hawk Chairman USMRA

Posted:	11/7/2008
Name:	John Roeske
Message:	Joe give me a call.

Posted:	11/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I'm doing the exfil....take care, and best to you. Joe

Posted:	11/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Well said Bill. I just want to add that he did this as an Advisor with a S. Viet Namese Marine Battalion, and he was assisted in his bridge work by an Army Officer who primed and prepared the charges for placement. CPT Ripley, actually climbed under the bridge, under fire, scaling the girders like some kind of Hollywood action figure and placed the charges at key locations that would cause the bridge to collapse once the charges were blown. Mike Martin in one of his original books, captured the story as well as photos very well, and yes, Col Ripley is in the Ranger Hall of Fame, as he should be. Thanks again Bill. He will not be forgotten.

Posted:	11/4/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	Per Joes request, and I'll try to be brief. While a Captain in 1972, Ripley was given orders to "Hold and Die" at a bridge at Dong Ha Vietnam. With a force of 600 S Vietnamese against an NVA force of 20,0000 and as many as 200 tanks. Ripley rigged the bridge with TNT and C-4 He blew the bridge, slowing the NVA. Many at that time felt that S Vietnam would have fallen in 72 had it not been for the actions of Captain Ripley. As a result of those actions, he was awarded the Navy Cross and the Silver Star. And as Howard Denton conveyed, The only Marine ever inducted into the Ranger Hall of Fame. A True Hero responsible for saving the lives of countless troops. An interesting statement he made some years later... After recieving the orders, "Hold and Die" he said, its amazing how it unclutters your mind, when your no longer concerned with saving your own butt.

Posted:	11/3/2008
Name:	Howard Denton
Message:	Every Ranger and Marine should know the story of COL John Ripley and the Bridge. He was a legend, a true hero. Navy Cross, the only Marine in the US Army Ranger Hall of Fame - there is not enough room here to do him justice. Rest In Peace, sir.

Posted:	11/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	make that a "Marine", one and young! Hooah...Sepre Fi.

Posted:	11/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Bill Breen: You're very astute to post such a posting, but for the benefit of all members, I ask that you further post more information on who he was, and what it was that he did, that made him a "hero" above and beyond....I know his story, and you obviously know his story, but please tell the rest of the folks....his story. He was found at home by his son, at the age of 68 of an apparent heart attack. He was a soldier once, and young. Thanks...Joe

Posted:	11/3/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	R.I.P Col. John Ripley

Posted:	11/1/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Rangers, I need help. I am a member of the Lumpkin County Veterans Committee. We help the Veterans in our local area. We have a Memorial Wall where the names of our local Veterans can be engraved, both deceased and living. We recently added a memorial dedicated to the Veterans who received the Purple Heart. It is a beautiful monument. What we would like to do to add interest and eye appeal is place a small tank or armored personnel carrier and an artillery piece at the Memorial. If anyone has any idea where or how we might obtain these items, please get in touch with me at my email address. Thanks RLTW.

Posted:	10/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Dave, Glad that you had a good time. I wish that I could have been there. My regards to you and all the others who were able to make it. Take care...Joe

Posted:	10/28/2008
Name:	Dave Manges
Message:	Guys, Just had a great weekend here at Hunter for the 25th aniv of Grenada. Donny Drenning and Chuck (Preacher) Keith stayed with me and as we were sitting around drinking and talking we all agreed that as close as we (1st Batt in Grenada) were that the Critter Cook outs and reunions at CFM are a much tighter group. Duke, Willey and Tony were here also here from CFM, we missed you Tommy and Joe.

Posted:	10/27/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Ross, if you go to our photo album, there are photos of the old Cavender CP inside and out, as well as Cavender LZ in action. Under TVD there is a group photo, those are the RI's that were involved in the 1st Ranger Class " Live Fire " at Dugway, under Cooper Creek are some shots of Hightower Backstop Raid site and Swing Bridge Ambush site. I have a few more but gotta look them up A.P.

Posted:	10/27/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	Thanks Steve, Dountz, Downing....I wasnt too far off after almost 35 years.

Posted:	10/27/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Excellent idea, and good memory Joe. I had forgotten about that...yes Ross, Phil Rosso would probably be the best point of contact for Camp Photos and people.

Posted:	10/26/2008
Name:	Joe Nowak
Message:	Ross, Have you ever talked to Phil Rosso. He was at Camp,now works at the College. He was the unoffical Camp photographer for a number of years. He probably has hundreds of pictures. Anyway, thought i would mention him.

Posted:	10/26/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks for the update Steve. I couldn't remember who all came after "Hog" Brown in 1st Plt. For Ross: Don't forget that original "pocket patch" that I sent to you. Mike Smith gave me another just like it. It was worn sometime in the very early 50s by RIs. I'm looking forward to your book. Glad that you got to interview Terrell and Kirby about the Desert Phase. I was wondering if you were going to be able to include that "unforgettable" part. Save me some copies also, and thanks for what you are doing. Bob Williams has some pretty good photos on this website I think. Take care...Joe

Posted:	10/26/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Steve, are you sure I had that photo? I don't remember it. Do you have a copy? I have a photo of one of the desert signs LTC Terrell gave me, but wouldn't mind having both. If nothing else I'll put it on my website. Any other photos out there?

Posted:	10/26/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Bill After Hog Brown I believe the next 1st Plt Ldr was Ray Dountz, After that was Johnny Nations. We went for a long time without a Plt Ldr and SFC Jim Shoape filled in and I played Plt Sgt. Ross, do you still have that picture of me with the original Desert Phase Sign. I believe it said Desert Phase at the top and Mountain Ranger Camp at the bottom, with a tab in the middle flanked by master wings and a scorpion. Ross save me a copy!! Rangers Lead the Way STeve

Posted:	10/26/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Rangers, some of you know I've been working on a project to capture the history of CFM. I quickly discovered the real history is in the memories of those who served there. So, we end up with an oral history backed by a few pertinent dates and events that are set in stone (maybe). It has turned out great, covering all the eras back to the '50s and forward to the current Camp leadership. There is a good section on the Desert Phase featuring interviews with Thom Terrell and J.D. Kirby, among others. Lt Gen David E. Grange also tells his story of the early Ranger Department and a lot about the Mountain Camp. That is a great interview. There are over 30 voices covering 56 years, beginning with Ralph Puckett. So, I am just about done with this thing. There will be room for a few photos. If you have some shots pertinent to Camp history, please contact me at iamrhall@yahoo.com and we'll talk about them. Also, anybody with a story to tell should do it now. I'm going to try and get it out before Christmas (maybe). It will be titled "Mountain Ranger" and I'm guessing it will run about 200 pages (maybe). This book is for you guys. It is full of names and anecdotes you will recognize. However, it is a niche book and will have a small printing. It won't be in any stores because only Mountain Rangers will find it readable. You can get it from me or on Amazon. The project is just something I wanted to do for my friends. RLTW

Posted:	10/26/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	I know, Hawk made me do more push ups than I care to remember. Ha!

Posted:	10/26/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Bill: No, Downing was a Major at the time that he came to 1/75 and he replaced Major "Rock" Hudson. Who replaced "Hog" Brown, I don't remember, I have to differ that question to Steve Hawk. Steve was in 1st Plt.

Posted:	10/26/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	Joe, correct me if i'm wrong....wasnt Downing 1st platoon Ldr B co after Hog Brown?????

Posted:	10/25/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Duke Durkan was in Grenada, and Perry Doerr with the 82nd. If you add the men of the 82nd who were Ranger Cadre at one time, you get a whole bunch of Rangers.

Posted:	10/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	one last "history postscript"....Major Wayne A Downing was the second Executive Officer of 1/75. He later became the Commanding Officer of 2/75....when USSOCOM started in 1984 and 3/75 was activated along with the 75th Ranger Regiment, Colonel Wayne A. Downing was first Commander of the present day Ranger Regiment. He always signed his correspondence as "The third Colonel of the Regiment"....giving historical credit to Robert Rogers and William Darby. As many know, the "WAD" later went on to Command USSOCOM as a 4 Star, and he wore a Black Beret (pre-tan beret days) signifying his long association with Ranger Units.

Posted:	10/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Great comeback info to Cookie and Tom. If you recollect their names, lets recognize them. Yes, 25 years is a long time, but to those who were there, the memories are as clear as yesterday. You're right Tom, this was a "pre" SOCOM era, and for those who don't know the history, 1st and 2nd Ranger Battalions, 75th Inf Regiment were "non-aligned" meaning that they were both independant and both work directly for the National Command Authority who "attached" them to the CINC as needed. Operation Urgent Fury is the Mission that caused such and uproar with the Senate Armed Services Committe led by Senator Sam Nunn, that he "forced" all of the Services to give up their Special Operators and put them under one unified Command....being USSOCOM, and the development of 3rd Ranger Battalion as well as the 75th Ranger Regiment and a Regimental HQ. For you "history buffs", now you have the rest of the story....Thanks Tom for coming up on the net and clarifying all of that. I was wondering if there was anyone out there who would bring these points up. Leave it to someone who actually lived that history to come up on the "net". Who else served at Camp who also served with one of the Ranger Battalions in Grenada? To all...those I know and those I don't know...thanks. The Grenadians have a large monument to Rangers at Point Salinas. To Mike Ramsey and Lonnie Miller (D)...and to all the others...thanks. Good luck with your Deer Hunt Tom.

Posted:	10/24/2008
Name:	Tom Wilburn
Message:	Doug and Danny, Roy and Gus, hope to see all of you for some fresh deer tenderloin and coffee at Locust Gap. I am game for an Ohio hunt and taking two weeks leave when I re-deploy. I will be "off" from 24 November to 05 December and am willing to try a trip to Ohio if the invitation and opportunity is presented. Roy, I relayed the message to Tony C as requested at Bagram. Joe, I can remember 20 or more Grenada Raiders who served at CFM in the early eighties with-out even straining my memory. And of course there wasn’t any 75th Regiment then; so they were all 1st or 2nd "Bat Boys". Take care, Tom

Posted:	10/24/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	There were others too, Joe. I don't recall who, but I do remember the stories told....and I believed each and every one of them! :-P 25 years...where has the time gone??

Posted:	10/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	This is the 25th Anniversary of Operation Urgent Fury, Grenada. We lost 19 US Service Members in that Operation, 8 of which were Rangers from the 75th Ranger Regiment. The only two that I know of, who participated in that Operation with the Ranger Regiment, and who also served at Camp Frank D. Merrill are: 1SG Lonnie Miller (D) and 1SG Mike Ramsey (R). Thanks Mike.

Posted:	10/23/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	MESSAGE FOR: ALL IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN VETERANS: I have been asked by Tim Swain, Director, Central Region, US Army Ranger Association to pass on...to the members of USMRA the following: Free lodging opportunity for Winter Ski enthusiasts at "All Seasons Resort Lodging" in Park City, Utah. This is a free lodging opportunity for Iraq/Afghanistan Veterans. For all who qualify, and are interested, go to: www.allseasonresortlodging.com and click onto the appropriate "thumbnails" or call them at: 1-888-575-2775 for reservations. This is free lodging for anyone who wants to take in a winter Ski Vacation. Be prepared to provide your Company, and Unit information. For further confirmation, and any additional assistance, you can also contact Tim Randolph, Depot Aviation Chief, Hill AFB, Utah....1-801-586-8277, and he can confirm/direct you to the appropriate internet site/phone number. Enjoy the free lodging Iraq/Afghanistan Veterans....and thanks from all of us at USMRA.

Posted:	10/23/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	1LT Nett, Commander, E Co, 305th Inf Regiment, 77th Inf Division, near Cagnon, Leyte, Phillipine Islands, 14 December 1944, led an attack against reenforced Japanese Troops who were defending from prepared positions around a concrete building. 1Lt Nett personally killed over 7 Japanese defenders with his rifle and bayonet while leading, and encouraging his men to fight forward. 1LT Nett was wounded 3 separate times during this attack, and afterwards, turned his Company over to another Officer. He walked back (on his own, and unaided), to seek medical assistance, for his wounds.

Posted:	10/23/2008
Name:	Denise
Message:	I had not been to Camp Merrill since 1989, just happen to be in the area just before Gold Rush days and drove up to the camp for a couple hours, it sure has changed as Dahlonega has too, was rather a quiet day and just walked around...Keep up the good work !! God Bless our Troops !!

Posted:	10/23/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Dear Oscar Edwards, I didn't personally know Col Nett, but I have heard a lot about him, and his accomplishments. His Congressional Medal of Honor Certificate pretty much speaks on his behalf regarding what type of man he was. Our condolences to his friends, fellow comrades, and family.

Posted:	10/22/2008
Name:	jeff eversole
Message:	Al Parten you should have my e-mail.Sorry about the mix up check e-mail.

Posted:	10/22/2008
Name:	jeff eversole
Message:	Al Parten, I'm have trouble with my password. Stand still I will forward a new email address.

Posted:	10/22/2008
Name:	Roy Close
Message:	Doug Perry, I am trying to take leave and go to Ohio for deer season as always you and Danny are welcome and Tom Wilburn also. Talked to Bernard when we passed through there he asked about you all. Tom Wilburn if you see Tony tell him I have not been able to get on my AKO so I am not ignoring him. Tell him to use my hotmail. RLTW

Posted:	10/22/2008
Name:	jeff eversole
Message:	Al Parten sorry about e-mail mix up.Here is my e-mail jevers1961@live.com

Posted:	10/21/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Tammy and I have postponed our Sring Vacation, so I'll be at the CCO. Doug Perry, give me a call. Jeff Eversol, I never got your e-mail. Hope everyone is happy. AP

Posted:	10/20/2008
Name:	Oscar Edwards
Message:	Congressional Medal of Honor recipient COL Robert B. Nett died at his home Sunday, October 19, at 1700 hours after battling pneumonia for several weeks. There will be a viewing/wake for COL Nett at Striffler/Hamby Funeral Home (4071 Macon Road, PH(706) 563-2372) on Wednesday October 22d from 1800-2100 hours. The funeral will be held at the Follow Me Chapel at 1000 hours on Thursday, October 23d. Graveside Services immediately follows. On 19 June 1997, Colonel Nett was named to the Ranger Hall of Fame. Shortly after 1957 he was appointed the Chairman of the Platoon Operations Committee in the Ranger Department of the Infantry School.

Posted:	10/20/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Fellow Rangers....My Ranger Wife and I are going to Buffalo in the AM. W'ere doing some shopping, then going to go to the Buffalo Sabres (NHL Hockey) game. We have front row seats, center ice....and should the camera "pan" onto us...you can recognize us, because I will be wearing a baseball cap with the 5th RTBn Scroll that Jan bought for me last time she was at the Camp PX a few weeks ago. Jan is a Buffalo Sabres "fan" (can you believe that my Georgia girl has taken on a love for professional hockey?), and I am...yep you guessed it, a New York Rangers...fan. We are out of the net. We as an Association, really are "one team"....no matter what, or who...we are who we are...and nothing can ever take that away from us, unless they "pry it from our dead fingers"..take care USMRA Rangers...Joe

Posted:	10/20/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	Hey Roy Close - check your email. Hope all is well with you and yours! Take care ol' friend. ~C

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	CASE Closed Salmonila

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Rangers, and friends. We as A Ranger Brotherhood have to come together, I really do not care where the CCO is held. I do worry about the preparation of safe food. meat can only be safe for human consumption for so many hours, we cannot cook or smoke meat too many hours before we feed the groups of folks. Since all cooking and smoking is done outside, there is never enough ice, or recepticles to place the food in.There is no running water at the Club cook site, cannot wash my hands or the many hands that help. so ya gonna eat dirty meat, get a hose installed, all this sounds strange, but you ain't cookin'. I only bring this up because I go to BBQ and Rib conpetitions all over the state, usually placepretty good, so let's not only correct our attitude, our way of being

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Bob: Is it my eyes playing tricks on me, or did Dan Rhodes Comment and your comment just "disappear" off the message board?

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Tom Wilburn. Myself and Danny will be there.Maybe we can get some meat for the Critter Cook-out.Went to Garrett Farms and got some chestnuts, the ones out there did not have worms in them this year.Danny says he can't wait to have some of your scrambled egg sandwiches. Roy Close can you and Gus make it??? Hope all is well with you,Amy and Gus..RLTW

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	This is for Bob Williams...I want to say...that this website is truly the "envy" of others who also belong to other Ranger Organizations. I recently attended the USARA, and this Website was mentioned...and this message board was the major "topic"...There are a great many readers, who like Steve...read this site daily, but don't usually comment. They do read, and they stay informed. I just received my After Action Review concerning the USARA ARM Convention....they have an interactive capability for all Members, no matter where they live, pertaining to USARA Business, and they encourage it. They also have about 1000 members Nation wide. I don't think that having to "click" onto 850 names of our Roster is the most efficient way to go. When we as an organization "accept" contributions, Nation wide then I think that we also need to remember that we also need to have a nation wide mechanism to "vote". Again Bob...personal opinions aside....great job on this website that only gets better and better. You are truly the "master" when it comes to design, format, and interactability....for all of us "Members". Take care...Joe

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Earl: thanks for the update regarding Ranger Daniels. Bob: Glad to know that you also feel that Camp Merrill is the founding basis of USMRA, but "Brotherhood amongst ALL Rangers"..."Association"....those words means something to me. You and I both know that in todays world, having an opportunity to express thought and ideas, as well as being able to "vote" on those ideas doesn't require physical presence at any specific location. The USMRA is a "botherhood" of Comaraderie for ALL Rangers, or we need to rewrite our Constitution. We are now a National Organization, whether we originally meant to be or not. We are what we are, and we need to remind ourselves that as such, we represent all members. The big question I keep trying to bring up is; how do all members express their suggestions to all other members? How do all members get an opportunity to submit a "vote". Is this about power and control only at the Camp Merrill location? Do members really have to hop a plane, fly across the country and make it there in time to vote, or express and idea? I'm not submitting a really new idea, or something radically different. I submitting the concept (that all other Ranger Organization already have and promote)..like Equality, Democracy...you know...those things that we "Americans" stand for. We are 850 members (or so) scattered over the entire US. Do we really have to "click on" the roster of this Website..to get and idea or a "suggestion" out the entire membership? I think that we all know the answer to that question....and if it is "yes"...then it's being made that way by design, and on purpose. This whole thing started with Dan's complaint about it taking the majority of time over the past 5 years at each and every meeting held at Camp. Hey...I have an idea...put the "problem" out to the entire membership to "vote" on (like all other Ranger organizations)...and there won't be any problems at the Camp Merrill Central Command HQ would there? Again Earl, thanks.....for the update. Glad to know it. Lastly, I noticed that another BDQ Advisor has recently joined USMRA...welcome. Take care Rangers...Joe

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	I talked to Jack Daniels about 1330 he said he was feeling better today. I ask him how the PT was going and he said "ok, it's just the damn mental things that bother me. They keep asking all these questions." Now thats a typical Ranger, weak mind strong back. I think he's going to be all right...Tom glad to hear you are going to make it home. Stay safe and we will see you in Nov.RLTW

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Tom Wilburn
Message:	I will be home in mid November......hunting vicinity of Locust Gap on the TVD for a few days. Folks are welcome to share the Camp 22-25 November if all goes as planned. Take care,Tom

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Wow! this CCO thing is getting so deep it makes my hair hurt. The decision has been made... those who come will have a great time the ones who pout and don't come will just miss out. remember to keep a sense of humor. RLTW

Posted:	10/19/2008
Name:	jeff eversole
Message:	al Parten give me a call (317)454-4995.

Posted:	10/18/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Steve foryur update, and with regards to this up and coming CCO in April....I'm looking forward to it. I'd like to take a moment to ask the entire membership to review the Constitution and Bylaws of our organization. Article II: "Brotherhood among all Rangers". Article V: section 2: "the Association". section 3: "the Association". By Laws: "the Association". The word "Association" is printed into our Constitution and ByLaws throughout, but are we in fact acting as an "Association"? The concept of "Congress" within the local area who consist of members who can meet regularly and do the decision making process is effective, but is it a "Congress"? Are these local members empowered to represent the entire Association consisting of nearly 1000 members who live Nation wide and in some cases Internationally? Is this "Congress" made up of "elected members" by the "Association", or by members who convene locally. All of these are "points to ponder" only....and as we look towards the future of our Organization and apply the modern modums of communications to include Internet....are we effectively representing every member of the "Association"? As it is now, and as it is for the immediate future, I think were adequate and sufficient, but as our membership continues to grow, it's also not to be unexpected that more members will want to become more involved, which is a good thing, not a bad thing...."Points to Ponder". Take Rangers...Joe

Posted:	10/18/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Fellow Rangers Many of you know that I usually set back and read what ever is placed on the message board, use this information in a way that can benefit the USMRA. You may also know that although I am very involved in the discussions at the meetings, I have no formal vote, per our constitution. My job is to bring all the information wants and wishes to the meetings. Explain, what I can concerning the considerations we should think about before a vote on any subject. I too along with Dan and a few others wanted the CCO on Open house and to include visitors. However, that was not the will of the majority at the meeting. One of my last discussion topics presented was the local membership acts like the congress of the orginazation. Each one present should and general do make decisions based on what they think the general population of the Association would want. Can we make all happy? Certainly not. The rules for this upcoming Critter Cookout have been established by the members present. The rules were outlined by Dan. Like with any plan if it does not work or it works to our advantage, it is a learning proccess and a process that will take place every year. This is an ever changing Association, with an ever changing world. We can and should always remain cognazant of the wants and needs of our fellow Rangers and make the appropriate changes when changes are needed. Joe, you bring up some good ideas. your voice is not just appreciated, but needed. Al, I know how much you and Tammi work, lets not forget Brit also, And although I will miss seeing them at the CCO, I don't think it would be the same with your absence. Always know that I am out here in webland watching and concidering all that is said and posted, even if I don't write often. Rangers Lead the Way Steve

Posted:	10/18/2008
Name:	Cathy Beck
Message:	Hey Roy, Fluffy is doing great, he ask about you from time to time. I will tell him you ask about him. Rangers, I realize I had no right to say anything since I am not a Ranger but I just felt like in my heart that this matter of the critter cook out was getting out of hand more so than usual. You know as people that you can not please everyone all of the time but as Ranger's you know that you will always be brothers, no matter what. It really shouldn't have gotten so out of hand that people are wanted not to show up now. Since I have been called "mom" by many of the guys there this is what I want to say to you as a friend and Ranger "mom". Your wives and better halves already know your stories, your actions when you drink a few beers or a little moonshine, your friends know you and still respect you. What difference is it going to make if your spouses or significant other is there, you are who you are and you earned your tab and so did your spouse. You may forget sometimes just what your spouse does for you as a Ranger wife. Your also might not realize how wonderful it is too have true, true friends that have supported all of you thru out all these years and all of these cook outs. I agree, the free loaders are out there and always have been. They usally are people in passing saying "aw, free food and drinks". You do have the what I called the "groupies" and each and everyone of you know what I mean by that. I think you could have a better time by having you free for all cookout and then close the party down to the public and just have you guys and your wives, girlfriends or friends that you want there. The thing is that all of you are kind hearted and will not refuse anyone a bite to eat or a gush of beer to wash it down, however you can close the freebie imaginary door and have only you guys to do you thing. By the photo's I have seen in the past cookout's there are too many children there that doesn't need to hear some of your stories anyway. I would say when the open house shuts down, then the freebies shut down. You can also ask for donation and that will run alot of them off. You all are too good of people to let this ruin your fellowship and brotherhood. You guys can put your heads together and figure this out without having any hard feelings. Heck move the "real party" somewhere else after open house. You have all those back roads that you guys have ran, and ran and many places to move it to with driving on the highway. You could move the "adult party" on top of the mountain just above the church at the old dump. The crowd will be gone and you will have the whole area to yourself. It is just a suggestion and none of my business but your brotherhood is mine. I didn't work for you guys because I could, I do it because I care. You can figure this out and good luck of satisfying everyone. You don't want Ross's next book to say the year brotherhood crashed over dead critters now do you? LOL...I love all you guys and don't get mad at me for my input. If I didn't care about you I would read this site everyday three or four times. The answer is simple, you all just have to agree to it. Love you all, spouses and significant others also. God bless you! Good luck! Rangers will always lead the way!

Posted:	10/18/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Al,it is very obvious from your last post that your attitude has improved considerably, therefore after much consideration and due process I am removing the Major minus spot report from your record. Now about taking a vacation and missing the CCO. If you have to go to keep peace in the family I understand. You will be missed.If you are not there remember that Doug want have anyone to pick on.RLTW

Posted:	10/18/2008
Name:	Roy Close
Message:	Ross Hall hows that book coming of Ranger Tales? Hope we get to meet at the next CCO since I am at Bragg now. On another note the CCO is put together by Rangers that are local there I don't need to vote on something that most times I will be unable to attend Al and crew know what they can put together, I don't. I know I stirred the pot with some comments I made but it was in fun, it would seem people are getting to serious on this issue now. What I don't want is the USMRA to fall apart over a event that is SUPPOSED to promote brotherhood. The vote is in that is the way it will be. Let me say if Steve and them had voted Ga Montain center with a 3 piece suit, while I might not like the setting I am with fellow Rangers and that is all that matters hearing how it used to be from Andy Howard or Doug Perry spinning a long tale. Steve, Bob and the others have done a great job keeping our organization on track and helping out others with donations and such. Cathy and Cookie good to hear from ya'll Cathy hows Fluff doing? Rangers lets be good to each other until then keep your hatchet scoured plenty of shot and powder and ready to march at a moments notice. RLTW

Posted:	10/17/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	This is getting old. This CCO thing was supposed to have been resolved at the last meeting. Granted, it was a small group, and on a different night with different people attending, the vote could have gone the other way. However, the vote was Rangers only, or USMRA members only, whatever. If some of you feel we need another vote, then let the leadership take over and make a decision one way or the other. Steve, you need to be a leader here and say what's going to happen. If you want a shotgun email ballot, that would be better than the message board because it, too, is limited. Otherwise, the next meetings are still going to be about the same thing. I'd love to bring my Lady, whom many of you know has supported Rangers for more than a decade, but if you decide no For Sure, then I will not bring her. Majority rules, and historically we take our votes at meetings. Well, that's a lot of words. Starting to sound like Joe.

Posted:	10/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	aplolgies for the "typos" and "spelling errors"...I've got to take my socks off first if I'm going to keep typing with my toes.

Posted:	10/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	My apologies first...I meant to say Bob, not Bill...I was thinking of Bobs entire name when I typed that "typo". Let me just say something else...then I'll close out and let others add their own comments over the weekend....I suspect that there is some "bad blood" going on over this CCO vote...no one has come out and said anything direct about it, but I'm "sensing" it by reading between the lines. This is something that I think needs to be "hashed out" with input from all USMRA members. I believe that the USMRA may now have "evolved" into something bigger then it once was, and taking in close to 1000 members at present is a major success for a grass roots organization thats only been around for about 11 years now or so. I'm a member of 3 Ranger Associations...USMRA, US Army Ranger Ass., and 75th Ranger Regiment Ass. I keep up with all of the associations through their different medias and info outlets. The US Army Ranger Ass. relies heavily on the computer for members info along with a quarterly News letter. The 75th Ranger Regiment Association relies much more heavily on it's quarterly magazine called "Patrolling"...and our organization (USMRA) principally uses the Message log. The other two organizations are "Dues Collecting" and USMRA is not. I give this info as info only...not to attempt to shape a future with regards to membership. I think the current system is running very well with Bob Williams at the helm of Information Services (Computer) and this forum that I'm using now. He's done a remarkably good job, and I think it's an envy to some degree of others...but thats another story. Getting back to my previous message...I know and understand the Herculean efforts by many who directly supports the CCO....and Al and his wife are first and foremost in my mind when I type this. I can imagine what it takes to put all the "chow" and "fixins" on the table to feed the hungry Rangers of the USMRA. The shopping, preparation, setup...etc...takes days...not just a few hours, and my hats off to them and their side kick Peewee for all that they and others have done in years past! They cannot go unrecognized for those efforts...and I thank them truly for all they have done for other USMRA members. I also know that a great many members put up with a lot of road hours, or airline hours, or a combination of both...hours to make the CCO event...and I immediately think of Mac who lives in California as an example. There is a lot of effort, on the part of a lot of people to make it to a CCO, and to all, there is an expense. I believe that it's time to turn future CCOs over to the General Membership to decide how and when they want to do this event, and I think that this up and coming CCO is a pretty good time to have a "General Membership" meeting with voting...and what, how, and who....attends future events. I would suggest that Steve set a couple of hours aside and have a General Membership Meeting. Another way is to put up onto this forum....and printable "ballot"...where every member gets to read the subject, issues, and cast a vote, then mail it in to one central address. This is the more common method used by other Associations....but hey, it doesn't mean it's the best....it just works. At any rate...Dan, again...thanks for "more information" on the problems associated with the Desision Making Process of the CCO...and for getting the info out. Take care Rangers...Joe

Posted:	10/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Dan, thanks for the information. Again, new news, and new information. Apparently the problem is much larger then trying to figure out how to have an event without "strap hangers". The complaints that I was getting by e-mail or reading on this message board were complaints about "strap hangers"....and in fact, the subject of wives was never mentioned in either communication forum. I'm seeing this as a four-way problem being...1. Does the Association have the CCO on the same day as the Open House, or not (due to uninvited strap hangers). 2. Does the Association have a CCO with "qualified members" only. 3. Does the Association consider wives of "qualified members" as "strap hangers". 4. Are there certain people who by their overwhelming support of the Association receive a "qualified members" entitlement to attend the CCO? These are key points that I think need to be addressed by the Association and establish clearly defined attendance requirements. The Association Leadership may want to take this one step further and that is to obtain "votes" from the General Membership on these key topics, and get an Association wide decision, which is really, the right way to go, rather then decisisons made by only a few, who are living close to the "flagpole". There are many different ways to set up a full Association Vote, and the first way that comes to mind is by "Computer"....and perhaps Bill with his unique skills can set up such a thing. At any rate...saluting the "flagpole" is something that all of us are very capable of doing in the end, but is this really how we want to run this Association, by small group "vote"? For many of us, this is an expensive trip to make to Camp Merrill vicinity, for the annual CCO, and due to the cost of such a trip, I for one, would like to be able to "cast a vote"....without just having to "salute a flag pole". For most of us who make this trip, it adds up to "airfare", "ground transportation costs", a few days of "missed work"(no pay or leave pay used), and the inconvenience of the travel in order to share 24-48 hours of comradeship. Yeah Dan, I can salute a "flagpole"...I did enough of it on active duty to prove that, but is this really how we want to run our own Association? I don't think that it is.

Posted:	10/17/2008
Name:	Dan Rhodes
Message:	Wives were never included into any CCO. As the CCO expanded and moved, every year the crowd grew larger and larger. Tammi would come to help Al, strap hangers would filter in but, at no time would anyone stop this from taking place. Then every single meeting for the next year we would hear complaints and ideas on how to resolve the situation. This is why we have two groups split on how the CCO should be handled. This issue has consumed more meeting time over the last five years than any other we've discussed. The entire underlying reason for the vote to move the CCO to a seperate date was to only allow Rangers and USMRA members to attend. No one has ever talked about including wives or strap hangers. At the last meeting the vote was taken and those who want a Ranger/USMRA only event won. I personally voted against seperating the dates. Now, its time for Rangers to make their own choice on whether or not to attend. Decision has been made, salute the flagpole and move out.

Posted:	10/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Cathy and Cookie...I have given myself 2 Major minus spot reports for my bad joke.

Posted:	10/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Groupies??? Whats this about Ranger Groupies??? Hey, wait a minute now,....you guys didn't eliminate the Ranger Groupies also did ya?....Come on, a blonde, Brunette, Redhead and a couple of Mason Jars of Mr Bruce's finest, with Stump Water makes for a mighty fine Charlie Daniels kind of party!!! Ok, Ok....no Stump water. I vote that we eliminate the stump water!!! Grab some Tata...never mind, strike that word....I meant Groupies....oh man....I'm getting an airplane out TONIGHT! When is the Party?

Posted:	10/17/2008
Name:	JIM OWENS
Message:	AL, I agree,-- I think the -25 is a bit strong for speaking your mind. After all that’s what RANGERS do, they speak their mind and once the decisions made we get behind it and support it. I also agree with JOE, our RANGER Buddy’s for life should always be included, I know mine has covered my fourth point of contact numerous times. Who’s going to keep me between those navigational markers on the road when the mug has tilted many times, -- she is. Just spell it out, give us a date -time and place and they will come.

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Thank you Cathy, you are always welcome.

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Cathy Beck
Message:	Gentlemen; I have held my tongue long enough. I really don't think that you guys meant not "your wives" or long time friends like "PeeWee". You basically were trying to find a way to keep the what I call "Ranger Groupie's" out. That I do agree. Also I believe that you have noticed that people come there and eat your food, drink your beer and probably flirt with you or your best friend. I have been ask a dozen times to go to the CCR's but I didn't because I felt like it was your time for you guys to be, well basically you. I think the groupie thing is way out of hand and beleive me, even though some people doesn't talk, others do and that is not good. Just remember you are Rangers, your spouse is a "Ranger Buddy" and your lifetime friends like PeeWee, Ross Hall and other are also your Ranger buddies. You got the right idea going but the wrong way of saying it, so I did. Sorry if I stepped on any toes but I am glad you have narrowed it down to just you guys and your spouses and friends. I never could stand the groupie thing anyway, it always causes trouble. God Bless you All!

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Smokin' Joe, that is where I agree 100 % with you. Tami has been at every event the USMRA has had a cookout.. The Easter Egg Hunts, Pine Valley 50th anniversary of Mountain Ranger training,went in the freezing cold to get the trout for the fish fry when the rednecks tried to steal them, all but 2 CCO's Shopped for all of us when others could not be there, spent the night in the Ranger Students barracks, at the MRE cookoffs etc... To say that she cannot be at or help with the CCO is to be honest, in my opinion an insult to her. Why hurt Tammy's feelings when she has done so much. Other wives have also contributed as well as girlfriends, and people that just show up and say can I help. So , I am confused, as to what the real deal is, since I was still watching the grill during the last eat and meet.And for you Steve Hawk, I never lost the objective, just been there when you were MIA. Earl and I have no problem, A Ranger before me and still stands his ground, although I don't think I deserve a Major Minus Spot report for speaking my mind. Hooahh !

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ok...this question is for the Chain of Command...USMRA...question: What is the exact date and time for the CCO in 2009, and who can attend? Simple questions....what are the answers? Joe

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Al, My best Ranger Buddy has always been Ranger "Jan". She has pulled my ass out of the fire more times then I can remember...and I can't imagine a Ranger event that wouldn't allow her to be there if she wanted to be. I'm not sure how you understood the information, and I'm not sure who may have communicated it...but to be honest with you....if Jan can't come to the event if she wants to come....then I don't want to be there either. I think that the CCO is being moved to another date in order to keep "strap hangers" from going through the chow line and the beer keg...but Jan doesn't each much and as far as the beer keg goes...well, she's only good for a couple then she starts getting kind of "stupid"....but that's because she doesn't have the advantage of being a Ranger such as we are...and at the same time....because she ordinarily remains in a semi-sober state...she has often driven me home whilst I sing Ranger Songs and stick my feet out of the car window....but thats between us...don't share it with anybody! I think that if Jan were to be there....I would feel better even if it meant that I was to wrap up in my poncho liner and fall asleep next to the burnt down embers...I know that she would kick me awake in the AM an say something like....ok Ranger, what the heck are you going to do now? I think that the same applies to your very special...Rangerette...and I use that term affectionatly...because that's exactly what Jan is. She married a Ranger....for the Good, Bad or the Ugly....she has what she has,...and I think she got a pretty good deal...but don't tell her I said so...she'll kick my a-- from here to tomorrow, and I'm getting too old for that. I thin that you and Earl need to "kiss and make up!".

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Rangers you are all taking my sarcasm wrong. Although I did hear the vote that Rangers only can attend the CCO. Also that no wives or girlfriends can be there. If I heard it wrong then enlighten me. Tammy and always plan a short vacation in the Spring and Fall, so if we are away, I won't be able to attend, on the other hand if we are around I will of course help out. Don't worry Earl, you gotta alot more that that to hurt my feelings, so that beind said, Have a nice day. AP

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Earl, thanks for the phone number. I tried, but was only able to leave a message. I will try again later. Thanks again for going out of your way, and checking up on him. A long time ago...about 11 (or so) years ago, he was the SGM of the ROTC Department, Univ. of Tn....and he had me come up there, and give a "motivational speech" to his cadets. I guess that most of them would be Majors right about now....That was the last time that I remember seeing Ranger Jack Daniels, and like I said before, I really didn't know him that well, but he seems like quite a man. I think that he will do well. I'll try calling him later. Sardines and Stump Water sounds good. Maybe Mr Bruce will show up and bring something to add to that Stump Water? Thanks Earl....Joe

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Joe, my bad. I didn't get an address but here is his cell number.865 742 1901. He really enjoys hearing from folks. His eyes would light up when he would talk about the Rangers that had called, so give him a call... Al I did not intened to hurt your feelings but I have to agree with Joe and Steve. It's not about eating it's about seeing all the Rangers old and new. I don't care if we have a can of sardines and a pack of crackers we will have a good time. We will need a little stump water to make the stories flow better. RLTW

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I plan on bringing a "hunk" of "Critter" to put onto a barbecue, and I plan on cooking it myself for myself, and for many others. I also plan on putting $200.00 on the bar at the Club. If the Association can put a barbecue at the club with charcoal and lighter fluid, I'll be glad to "roll up my sleeves" and 'stick a fork in it' until it's done. I also plan on bringing something to go along as a side dish. I'm arriving by plane for this event and getting a rental car....but I plan on being there, and yep, I'm stopping by a grocery store on the way up from Atlanta. I don't need a cook.....I'm only looking for some old friends who want to help me drink some cold NCO Club beer, (no fancy beer labels), wants to bite into something that I brought (and probably burned on the grill), and tell lies and war stories about walking Patrols all over North Georgia, White Sands Missile Range, and out in Utah. I want to listen to lies and war stories about events on Mt Yonah, the 60' cliff and all other Mountaineering tales....maybe even a couple of stories about our trip to Germany back in 84. I want to see Steve Bishop, Ted Tilson, Doug Perry, Earl Singletary, MacElliott, Rick Laws, Phil Carey, Larry Kelly, "Big O", Frank Flores, Joe Nowak, Tony Lewis, Al Brazier, Tommy Wilburn, Mike Ramsey, Steve Hawk, Ross Hall,....and a host of others, the list goes on and on....that are still on my mind and in my memories. I don't want to see a bunch of folks that I never served with, never served in the Army, and never attended Ranger School, with the exception of our notable, and strong supporters such as Ross, and Pee wee as examples, to name a few. I want to meet new members of USMRA who will be coming for the first time, and some of them haven't seen Camp Merrill since they attended Ranger School. I want the wives to feel comfortable at the event, and not as though they are "chicken little, or chopped bait" and I want them to feel safe, and comfortable with the event, and all who participate. Will some of us end up "drunker then Cooter Brown"....well, I expect so, but because of the close association of years past, we all know who we are, what we are, and how we are all interlinked, as one body of supportive and supporting Rangers, young and old. I know that Doug will show up in his Green Rogers Rangers Uniform, but most of us are from WWII to present and we're not that far apart in time or similiar experiences.....and that's what the USMRA is all about, to me. I think the Association "Leadership" needs to go back into "huddle" on this one, and publicly announce exactly who is invited to the CCO event, and I accept any decision made by the "Leadership" of the Organization. I'll continue to support our USMRA, and our Camp that has been there on the end of 9 mile road, going on 60 years. Thats a whole lot of Ranger Students, and Cadre....a whole lot.

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Readily I will fight on to the Ranger Objective. I never got to pick the objective!! That never stopped me from believing and following MY Creed. I would be happy with an MRE, my Ranger Buddies and a warm fire, any place, anytime. Steve

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	A couple of messages and a question that needs clarification: 1. Earl, thanks for driving all the way to Tn, and checking on Ranger Daniels. 2. Earl: The onset was only recent, and now he's into Physical Therapy. It could take as long as a year (or less). He may have some "residual"...but honestly, his recovery is going to be made in Occupational and Physical Therapy. I personally have observed over the years some "pretty screwed up people", but their recovery after OT and PT was the ticket and given his "positive spirit" that you describe, I think the odds are in his favor. Lastly: This upcoming CCO is obviously something that still needs to have a few of the details worked out. It's my understanding that the primary purpose in moving the CCO away from the Open House event was to reduce the overall attendance by keeping it focused on USMRA Members, Special Invitees who are regulars with USMRA and guests of Members of USMRA such as wives and girlfriends. Maybe I'm missing something in all of the discussions to date, but that was my understanding. In other words...Ross, and others who are regular supporters of USMRA are still invited and always will be, as well as wives or girlfriends who want to attend with their USMRA member. If that is in fact still the "target audience" of the CCO, and if that is who is still the intended participants, then I think that all concerns will be addressed and covered. I think that the USMRA and it's members are looking for a CCO that is focused on an event that is about the USMRA, and it's close friends. I remember a time or two when I would walk into the NCO Club on Camp and it would be full of "locals", on a Sunday afternoon. I won't bore all the readers with what I did about all of that, but I will say that the "Club" got cleaned up, and after that, I never felt uncomfortable going to my own NCO Club at the Camp, nor did I ever feel uncomfortable with taking Jan there. I think that is the same "spirit and intent" that the USMRA membership is looking for. A USMRA Membership event only, with selected invitees, as well as our wives. If I'm wrong, someone please let me know. Back to Earl real quick....Did you happen to get an address for Ranger Daniels? I'd like to send him a card. Al....I've heard that you've done a super job with CCOs in the past. Hope you stay with us. Take care Rangers...Joe

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Yesterday Bob McMahan and I went up to Knoxville to see Jack Daniels. Rangers he is in bad shape, but has the Ranger spirite and is fighting back. We went with him to physical therapy and it brought tears to my eyes to see the effort he is putting out. He gets a +25 for a Great attitude. The outcome is now in the hands of the Big Ranger. He sends his love to all of his Ranger buddies and ask to be remembered in your prayers.....Al you get a -25 for attitude. You know we all appreciate the hard work you do at the CCO. But if you remember we had some real good CCO's before you and Peewee did the cooking.So let me close with words from an old song "One Monkey Don't Make Know Show If YOU Are Gonna Leave Go Ahead And GO" RLTW

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Al. Really. USMRA members are invited, including Pete and me. Sorry you got so screwed up about this, but Al. Really. You know we need you.

Posted:	10/16/2008
Name:	Ranger Tompkins
Message:	Won't Tom Wilburn be there? He normally has enough wild meat to provide the whole camp for the winter. Or, is he still off fighting bad guys?

Posted:	10/15/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Just wondering, how you Rangers are planning on getting the CCO going next year ? Since only RANGERS can attend and be present. Pete aka Pee Wee Anderson is not a Ranger, so cannot be there. My assistant cook is not a Ranger, cannot be there. Doug Perry is too old, Dan will not like shopping alone at Wal Mart, and I am thinking on going on Vacation that week. Can you say SNAFU ! No low country boils, no Cabbage Stew, no Smoker ? Bet it will be a good one, all the folks that just come to eat, will just have to get it from the Club, Huh .

Posted:	10/15/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Many new Rangers have joined us but I want to especially recognize Rangers Edgar and Delamater. Both of these Rangers attended and Graduated Ranger School in the 1950s. Welcome to all Rangers who recently joined USMRA. For Earl: Stay safe on your trip.

Posted:	10/15/2008
Name:	Ranger Tompkins
Message:	Ranger Jack Daniels - don't know you my friend.... But with a name like that, you gotta be a Mountain Ranger. Get well soon!

Posted:	10/15/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Earl Singletary and Bob Mcmahon are going up today to see Jack they will post an update on the old war-horse.RLTW.

Posted:	10/14/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	What's the latest on Ranger Jack Daniels?

Posted:	10/13/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Fellow Rangers...It's an honor for me to pass on a message that I received from CSM (R) Bill Acebes, and Tim Swain, Central Region Director of the US Army Ranger Association.....they were both kind enough to send me an email reporting that the Peoria International Airport in Illinois (Home of Caterpillar International) has just named their airport....General Wayne A. Downing International, in honor of the "WAD". For anyone whoever had the privelege of serving with him or under his Command, they will tell you that he was a "soldiers" Commander. Another tribute to a real Leader of Men, Super Ranger Commander, and a great Soldier, who truly loved his Rangers. Take care Rangers....Joe

Posted:	10/11/2008
Name:	michael bundy
Message:	I am deeply thankful of the folks that have sent me emails regarding the status of my wife and the location of Treves. I am sorry to say that I am barely keeping my risers untangeled with all that is going on, so I can not respond to each of you individually. Please feel free to visit, http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/angiebundy to check on our team. I would respectfully request you with hold any comments on how I have lost my previous Ranger worthy BMI! Understanding now more than ever the sentence "Never leave a fallen comrade..." Mike

Posted:	10/11/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	1400-10.11.08 Just got off the phone with Jack, he sounded strong and very optimistic. I will be going up for a visit next week if anyone wants to ride along give me a call. RLTW

Posted:	10/10/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Just got off the phone with Jack. He talks fairly well, a little slow but not much. No slurring. I asked him if he thought he could get the left side back and he said "No question." He also said "Give all my brothers my love down there." He's a tough old bird and he'll go forward.

Posted:	10/10/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	From what I read posted by Ross, it appears that Jack is doing well and the prognosis is good. I wish him the best of luck. I didn't know him all that well, but I have met him. Take care Rangers..Joe

Posted:	10/10/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Rangers, this is from an email forwarded by PegLeg. wanted to let you know that Jack had a stroke on Monday, October 6. It has affected his left side and the field of vision in his left eye. He is in Baptist Hospital West in room 224 now, and will probably be there through tomorrow. His sons, Jack and Ed are here now. His cell is 865-742-1901. His speech and hearing are fine, so he can converse very well. He will likely then go to Patricia Neal Rehab Center for about 3 months for rehab. He is considered a "good candidate" for rehab and you know his determination will make all the difference. He has already started trying to move his leg and arm, so he is already in the rehab frame of mind.

Posted:	10/9/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Brother Rangers: A very dear friend and comrade has had a stroke. Ranger Jack Daniel suffered a stroke today and the information I have is very little. Doug called just a few minutes ago and gave me the information. I have tried to get more but can not contact anyone with additional information. If anyone hears more please post here. Ranger Daniel was a lane grader in the early years of the Flordia Ranger Camp and spent several tours with BDQ in Viet Nam. He was one of the earliest LRRPs in Europe and a member of the Ranger Hall of Fame. He is best known to me as a great friend who gives sound advise and dearly loves his Rangers. He lives in KNoxville TN and I am sure he is hospitalised in that area. Anyone in that area who can please go by when we get a location. Once agian I ask for the Great Ranger to watch over Jack and be with him. Lord , he has guarded freedom for so many years please guard him and keep him safe and allow him to return , healthy, happy, and ready to Lead the Way., Amen I will post more when I know more. Rangers Lead the Way Steve

Posted:	10/8/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I had meant to add, that the website I previously mentioned is incredibly easy to use. Just type in Rogers Rangers in the Search Box, and thats it. Both books that I mentioned and several other publications pop up. Take care Rangers....Joe

Posted:	10/8/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	The attendance that I did to this years US Army Ranger Assoc Convention at Lake George here in NY rekindled and underlying interest that I've always had. I had always hoped to learn more of the original Rangers commonly referred to as Rogers Rangers of the French and Indian Wars. I had the opportunity to pick up a couple of books on the subject and I have now completed both of them. Little did I know that there really is quite a lot of recorded history about Robert Rogers and his Rangers. I didn't know that they also participated in battles in the Caribbean as well as in the Cherokee and English War in North Carolina. The complete story of Rogers Rangers can be found in a book entitled "Genesis, Roger's Rangers, The First Green Berets", and for those who want to focus only in Rogers Rangers and their epic raid on St Francis, made popular in the movie North West Passage, the book on that subject only is entitled "The Hisory of Roger's Rangers, Volume 4, The St Francis Raid". Both books are written by Burt Garfield Loescher and Published by Heritage Books, Inc. You can go online and request copies of either of these books at: www.hertitagebooks.com or call them at: 1-800-398-7709. Both of these books are very hard to put down once you get started, and they really are packed with "action and adventure" from purely a historical perspective, from cover to cover. These are not novels, they are actual historical books or Rogers Rangers as best known by research Historians to date. I recommend both of them. You will not believe the things that these guys did. Absolutely amazing...even by todays standards given our health, size, and capabilities. These Rangers of the late 1750s through the 1760s really did some pretty amazing stuff. Take care Rangers. Joe

Posted:	10/7/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Ranger Edwards: Thanks for you help and thanks for the info. Good job! Joe

Posted:	10/6/2008
Name:	Oscar Edwards
Message:	For Mike Bundy - SFC (Ret)Treves Garlett can be reached at treves.garlett@us.army.mil or you can get him by phone at (706) 545-7505. I don't know how accurate the info is, this is the info provided on the www.us.army.mil (Army Knowledge Online website.) If anyone is looking for old bud (not beer), get registered and use the site to help you find those you're looking for.

Posted:	10/6/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Fellow USMRA Rangers: I failed to mention that CSM (R) Gagnon is a member of the Korean War Ranger Companies Association (RICA). In addition to his many accomplishments to include Viet Nam and post Viet Nam, he started his Ranger time with 5th Ranger Company..in Korea. Again, welcome to USMRA CSM(R) Gagnon.

Posted:	10/6/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Dear Ranger Bundy....I don't personally know the Ranger your looking for, and I'm not able to help you in your search, but on behalf of all of us....please know that we are with you in our hearts and minds. All of us wish you and your wife the very, very best. However this turns out, and you know better then we, please know and understand that you are not alone. We are with you...and don't hesitate a single second, to get onto this site, and ask for help, in any way. You can reach me direct at: jjmattison@verizon.net and I promise to get back with you post haste! Take care...Joe

Posted:	10/5/2008
Name:	michael Bundy
Message:	My wife has been on breathing assistance and a feeding tube for 32 days. We are looking for Treves Garlett, SFC (ret) who was with the 4-325 and 3-325 in 1996. He was also in 4th Rtb in 99 and 2000. I would like to find him to come visit Angie. Anyone who has info about his contact info, please email. Michael_n_bundy@wellmont.org Treves was in our wedding and lived with us for a spell. She would appreciate seeing him. I have lost track of him, he is doing a great job of E and Eing. If you have any G2 please email. All my respect for what each of you are and continue to be, Ranger Bundy

Posted:	10/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ranger Gagnon, welcome to the USMRA. For all Rangers, Ranger Gagnon is a former CSM of the USAIC, and was in that capacity when I was a SSG/SFC walking Patrols in the Mountain Camp. It was during his "watch" that Camp Merrill had it's largest ever "make over" since the Camp was first built. Again, welcome to USMRA, and thanks for your support to Camp Merrill back in the early 80s.

Posted:	10/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ranger E. Rose, Class 7-64. Welcome to USMRA.

Posted:	10/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Cookie, nice to hear from you. Is everything ok? For: PA Sanders...welcome to the USMRA. You served with 1/75 during some interesting times. Take care. Joe

Posted:	10/4/2008
Name:	CPT Bill Sanders
Message:	Hello...I was reading some of your posts. I was in the 1/75 Co C from 6/76 through 4/79. I went in right out of high school and got out as a corporal. I was there in 77 when the BN was moved from Stewart to Hunter. went to ranger school 7/77. I am a PA now and currently near Victory Base in Iraq. I just read your comments and wanted to respond!

Posted:	10/4/2008
Name:	:-(
Message:	I have read and completely understood all the chatter about splitting Open House and CCO. I was kinda sorry to hear that it was actually split this time though. I, too, have no real reason to attend Open House - but it was a great opportunity to see a lot of "old" faces. That once-a-year opportunity is gone now. So, I will just remember you guys the way you were....and the way you've been haunting my dreams lately. I've been meaning to post all week (since the dreams started Sunday night), but haven't had the time. I just want to let y'all know that each and every one of you whom I knew personally (whether here or passed on) had an impact on my life at an age when I was still "in development" to true adulthood (yeah, I only thought I was grown-up back then). Some of the things y'all taught me have made me who I am today. And some of the things y'all taught me - such as how to inject the "f" word into a sentence 27 times with ease - had to be left by the wayside. :-) No matter what happens during my time left on this planet, I will always remember and always cherish my time with the Ranger Family. I love you all - geriatric generation and pepsi generation. You will be forever in my heart. With all my respect - RLTW ~C

Posted:	10/3/2008
Name:	Ranger Tompkins
Message:	Anyone know a Robert Busick. He is a retired LTC. Was at the Mtn Rgr Camp in the 70's. A Company Commander I think. He is my counterpart at the High School where we both teach JROTC. Anyone got any good or bad stories about him.... I love hassleing him. Ranger Tompkins

Posted:	10/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	You know, that reminds me of a true Mountain Ranger Story....One night, SSG Mike Ramsey was the SDNCO who was called down to the "Club" (thats all we called the place) to break up a fight. When he entered, the place was a shambles and all participants were still at full swing and stumble with lots of wrestling and grappling going on. Mike couldn't get their attention so he pulled out his issued (and trusty) .45 Calibre hand gun and shot two times into the air. This of course stopped all the fighting and the participants quckly broke it up and some scattered. There were two bullet holes in the ceiling and out through the roof. True story. I think "nubby" was one of them, and he always had a phrase....when he was really POd....but I can't remember exactly what it was, but when you heard it, you knew to stand back and get out of the way. It was something like "you cotton picken...." or something like that. I don't even know how many times the pool table was tipped over, but I do know that the pool balls were able to do 90 degree turns into the side pockets.

Posted:	10/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	No one "pulled a gun or threw a punch"? Man, that NCO Club must be getting civilized. Thanks Ross, and thanks Steve for bringing this to a conclusion. I will now request a "Leave" and hopefully I can make it this year. Thanks...Joe

Posted:	10/3/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Great meet-n-eat last night. Good to see all the guys and listen to a spirited debate about the Critter Cookout. It was harder to decide than the big bailout. Splitting from the Open House was a big one, and there were a few ruffled feathers, but nobody pulled a gun or threw a punch. We call that parliamentary procedure. Kudoes to Steve Hawk for standing tall and guiding the decision making process.

Posted:	10/3/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	I went through in 77 and we still had it

Posted:	10/2/2008
Name:	steve woodring
Message:	SERE is gone,thats sad to hear. I went through in class 7/75 and if there was anything that would cause me to think about doing ranger school over that would be it. I remember on the march to the SERE compond Billy Jack cuffed me so hard in my right ear that I couldnt hear for two days and if memory serves me right that was the least of my problems before they let us walk out.Man those were the good old days.

Posted:	10/2/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Bill, I graduated with 2-76 and we had the SERE Camp. It was shut down sometime after that, because when I became an RI in 1979 (yep, almost 30 years ago)...SERE was gone out of the program. They still did the chase, off the DZ, but the SERE as you remember it, was gone. Today is Thursday. Doggone that Alzheimers.

Posted:	10/2/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	Just came upon a 9 part video of Ranger School The video follows class 10-00 all the way through. Made me laugh at times, Made me proud at times. 1 thing I noticed, there was nothing on the SERE camp. is that still part of the program? some interviews with RI's from all the phases. If anyones interested, I'll send the link. RLTW

Posted:	10/1/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Clarification...meant to say...June, July or August, but leaning towards August as the most favorable.

Posted:	10/1/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	This message is for all Rangers who own a motorcycle: Jan and I are going to take a ride through Rogers Rangers Country, and take in the sites of Ft Edward (Rogers Island), Ft William Henry and Ft Ticonderoga on Lake George, as well as a short visit to Rogers Rock where he an a few survivors escaped from pursuing Indians in the "Battle of the Snowshoes". Then a continued ride up Lake Champlain, taking in some more of the famed, and epic sites of Rogers Rangers battle sites and old fortsfrom the French and Indian Wars. Were looking at doing this in June or July. Any Ranger who has a motorcycle and wants to join us is invited. If you "trailer" your bike, your more then welcome to park it at my house in Wellsville, NY. Tentative date of: 5-11 August. Looking at doing a combination Ride/Camp, and about 2-3 hotel stops along the way. I haven't worked out all of the details as of yet, but will have it together in the next few weeks. Are there any Rangers out there interested in doing a "Roger's Rangers Ride"? You can contact me direct at my e-mail: jjmattison@verizon.net Looking for some Motorcycle enthusiasts who want to take in the original Ranger History, and some beautiful sites of New England. Very few "flat, straight" roads. Once we get up into Lake George area, almost all of it is two lane with hills along long lake shores. Should be a great ride, and the weather here in NY State during that time of year is very nice. Let me know if your interested. Thanks...Joe

Posted:	10/1/2008
Name:	Dan Rhodes
Message:	Its not Thursday yet.

Posted:	10/1/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Well Al, what's the official word on CCO 2009?

Posted:	9/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hey Al...sounds like the CCO...too bad I can't make it. It sounds like I'd rather make it to the "meet and eat" instead!! Thanks for the update on the CCO info. Hope ya'll come to a good and reasonable decision. I know that there are hard held convictions, but if you can put all of that aside and work together for what the members of the Association would prefer...I think it will turn out pretty good. Each of you have probably read the "blogs" and no doubt, you've also read personal e-mail messages and had some phone calls on the subject. I (and most of us) hope that you figure out a way to put it all together so that the CCO is an Association only event (no strap hangers), and yet somewhat near the Camp so that we can all relive our experiences of yonger days, at a place that we grew very, very fond of. Thanks for what all of you do, on behalf of all of us...take care. Joe

Posted:	9/29/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	For all concerned, we will make the decision on the CCO this thursday at the meeting. For those attending this weeks meeting, don't forget it is an EAT and MEET. That means those coming need to bring a covered dish or somethig to consume. Chips, tater salad, beans, etc... Doug, PeeWee and I will start the pig around 1300. I am making a big pot of Venison Chili w/beans. I think Tammy is going to bring some deviled eggs. This ain't the CCO so bring something to eat !!! See ya there. AP

Posted:	9/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Sorry Ross, neither of those names are in my memory. Perhaps Mike Ramsey can help with this one. He was in Grenada with 1/75.

Posted:	9/28/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Rangers, Butch Nery wrote and asked if we could help with this. There was a Captain, 82nd, whose company relieved Rangers at Point Salines. His name was Mike Ritz. His son is looking for info on him. They never met. So, anybody out there remember Mike Ritz? He was MRC Cadre at one time. A man named Richard Cardoza is trying to find some info to pass along to the son. He made the initial request. Help if you can by posting here, and I'll make the hookups.

Posted:	9/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Has the Critter Cookout dates for 2009 been established yet? Does anyone have any updated information about it? Thanks...Joe

Posted:	9/27/2008
Name:	Denise
Message:	After 12 years of searching I finally found Retired Capt. William Blackwell and his wife Paulette, they were stationed at CFM around 1987-1989 if anyone wants to contact them just let me know and I will give you their address and phone number.....

Posted:	9/25/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	CSM Pfrogner is in charge of the museum.

Posted:	9/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Bob, I think I understand that....maybe I should have put my bottom line up front. I believe that I mentioned "with the 5th RTBn Command Group"...but maybe it wasn't understood well. By all means, this would be in complete cooperation and with the support of the Command Group...meaning Bn Commander, and Bn CSM...hope this clarifies. Joe

Posted:	9/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Air conditioning? The Student barracks were not air conditioned when I was last there, but we did get air conditioning installed in the messhall when I was last there, on active duty....and getting the Ft Benning Engineers to pay for it was like trying to pull the molars out of a Grizzly Bear...but we had a GREAT Commanding General who loved the Mountain Ranger Camp, and all that we did, and through him...we got a lot done...including the air conditioning of the messhall....new (modern) mountaineering equipment, and much more.

Posted:	9/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Steve: I think your on to something. When you look at the active duty as well as the USMRA membership, we collectively span everything back to WWII. I know that we could turn that Museum into a wonderful showplace that highlights the achievements and the era of the Mountain Ranger Camp going back at least 50 years. Now, here's the big one....who lives in that area, and wants the be the MMFIC? We need to have a person or committee that wants to take on that task. Some one who is there, on the ground, and has the time to do it. Money can be requested by donations to provide materials etc,...and when the call goes out, we as Cadre and Former cadre can send in some "stuff" that all of us have in boxes or bags in our attics or basements. I personally would like to see a Ranger Instructor of each era, fully dressed out in the Uniform of the time, to walk a Patrol. Korea, Viet Nam, The early 80s with Grenada, and late 80s with Panama...(yes, there was a uniform change in between), and then the Gulf War, to todays present. Mannequins could be dressed up for the time, add some hemp rope sling ropes and move it towards the modern equipment that they use now. More photos of the the Camp itself as it evolved through time....add a special section for the names and photos of our Civilian Employees over the years....and in general, get some of the stuff out of there that lacks the "personal touch"...and rebuild the place to Rangers, and their accomplishments during their time. Thats just a start of an idea, but the MMFIC/Committee could "fine tune" the concept and really turn it into something very nice. There's also a large grassy area on the outside around the building, and thats a very nice place to place larger items that can be outside in the weather. Monuments, etc,...The building itself and the area around it has great potential for improvement and expansion. Perhaps the USMRA in cooperation with the 5th RTBn Command Group can develop a plan of some kind? You've got a great idea Steve....but who wants to head it up? I live in Western NY State.

Posted:	9/23/2008
Name:	steve woodring
Message:	Hey Joe the last time that I came up to the camp for a little trip down memory I stumbeld across our little museum . It was pretty cool but at the same time somewhat bare . How about we Dig up a few of our old collectables to donate or do we have enough just laying around collecting dust in the supply shacks .Oh and just for the sake of asking are those new student barriks airconditioned .

Posted:	9/23/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Ross for bringing up the Museum. Nice to know that somebody cares. I hope that it's better maintained in the future, and I'm wondering if the USMRA can have any input in improving the Camp Merrill Museum? For Doug Perry: There were quite a few BDQ Ranger Advisors at the ARM 2008 "Muster". You would have liked it. Take care Rangers....Joe

Posted:	9/23/2008
Name:	Kay
Message:	Does anyone remember the big German Shepard dog that use to run around CFM and getting into the Mess Hall, He use to bury big bones all over CFM, some of the Rangers would have maps laid out on tables, leave and come back to find LARGE foot prints all over the maps !! 1987-1989

Posted:	9/22/2008
Name:	Linc German, President, USARA
Message:	To: Joe and all of you Camp Merrill Rangers of USMRA, Thanks Joe for those remarks about our SUPER Ranger Muster this year. Also, read Ross's report in the Spot Reports Section. Both point out problems trying to meet all Ranger's ideas for gathering places and things to do while there. Be aware, the USARA at Army Ranger Muster (ARM 2008), Lake George, just began the policy of inviting Rangers and their wives/guests to our "musters" WITHOUT the necessity to join our Association. One must Register and pay the costs of the event (at the same rate paid by USARA Members). The purpose is for getting Rangers together for a good time, fun, learn something, and "tell lies". This year, RICA (Korean War Rangers) were especially welcomed, including their wives and guests, and it was a special honor to also have their President of the RICA Association. It's also nice that he happens to live in CT. This Viet Nam Ranger/SF had a great time with all of them and others did also. This proves that our policy change was worth it! As Joe said, we plan for wive's entertainment when Board Meetings take place, and that keeps the other side of the Ranger Couple happy. As President of USARA, I do sincerely invite you to take part in our activities. As Joe stated, we go by the earned "Title" of RANGER, and we have no "Rank", or "Seniority" in our Organization, nor is it tolerated. We are all fellow Rangers, just like Ranger School Students, all being equal. Our "Muster" (ARM) is not to make money or lose money, but to have a great time while trying to break even. We hope to see you at next years ARM 2009 in Las Vegas; and if your interested in joining us for that event, please stay posted. You can read about further developments of ARM 2009 on our Website at: US Army Ranger Association (USARA). I also want to reenforce what Joe mentioned earlier; we would like to hear from the CDR/CSM with regards to our annual contribution to 5th RTBn of $300.00. I can be personally reached at: LINCGERMAN@aol.com, and I again thank Joe for his fine comments, and wish each of you, and this Great Ranger Organization, The US Mountain Ranger Association, the very best. RLTW....Linc German, President, US Army Ranger Association.

Posted:	9/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Welcome Ranger Aviles to the USMRA. For all who maybe don't know, Ranger Aviles (new member) was an original member of A co., 1/75, back in 1974.

Posted:	9/21/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hello Art, glad to see that you found our Website. Bob Williams is our computer "master" and has done a great job setting this site up and maintaining it. Thanks again to you and your folks for a great US Army Ranger "Muster". Hope to see you in Vegas next year.

Posted:	9/21/2008
Name:	Ranger Art Silsby
Message:	My name is Ranger Art Silsby and I'm the Southern Region Director of The U.S. Army Ranger Association. If anyone is interested in joining please contact me at asilsby@windstream.net Rangers Lead The Way.

Posted:	9/21/2008
Name:	Mountain Laurel Smitty
Message:	I remeber my running shoes wearing out every 6 to 8 months while in the rangers. Now, I can go 6 to 8 years before I need a new pair. 1SG Mott's insane runs would hasten that wear even more.

Posted:	9/20/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Went out to interview 1SG Holland the other day and mentioned to him the museum needed some work. He said he'd have somebody in there cleaning it that very day. Sorry this message isn't longer, Joe, but that's all I have to say.

Posted:	9/20/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	It's 0450 hours and I just got in from a 6 hour drive back to the house from Lake George in the Adirondac Mountains, and the US Army Ranger Association Annual Ranger Muster (ARM) for 2008. I saw from Ranger Runyon that he had emailed the Command Group, and I sure do appreciate it. Thanks. Wow! What a "reunion" this one was. It wasn't about "me the Ranger" as most of them are, it was about Rangers, and their wives getting to go somewhere as a Couple, enjoy the event as a Couple, and still be able to mingle, and associate with fellow Rangers. It was really, very well done. The only time when it was about "Ranger Business" was during the 1 1/2 hour membership meeting done in the afternoon, while the wives got ready for the Banquet. Perfect timing in all events....and very well done. We toured Fort Ticonderoga, and Rogers Island (Ft Edward), both of Rogers Rangers and the French/Indian Wars, and the next day we toured the Saratoga Battle Field and the Battle of Bennington, Vermont, onfthe Revolutionary War. We did an evening Dinner Cruise on Lake George (Prime Rib)....all you can eat with all of the "trimmings", and the last night was a really layed out full blown banquet with wine and two drinks each,...again with more food then should be allowed for one person to eat. The whole time, the Association also ran a "store" and "open (no pay) bar"....where you could help yourself to anything you wanted. Both were set up on the hotel premises. The only thing that we had to "fend for ourselves on" was Breakfast in the morning (which was incredibly discounted and a full breakfast), as well as lunch while on the tours. Everything else was provided for, in the cost of the Convention fee. They even had drawings for a Taurus "Judge" handgun, as well as many other very nice things, both for Rangers and their wives. The Guest Speaker at the Banquet was MG (R) Singlaub, who started his military career as a "Jedburgh" Team Leader of the OSS during the Second World War....subsequently saw service in China at the end of WWII, then Korea, and finally, Viet Nam. As a MG, in Korea, he opposed the Carter Administration back in 1977 with regards to the proposal of withdrawing Troops from Korea, and found himself out of a job, and on the Retired list. Because he fell on his sword over that "proposed" troop pull out, and opposed it in public, he was later, supported in "policy", and South Korea remained protected, and secure, during some pretty difficult times. Those of us who were on active duty at the time probably remembers that event very well. I know I do. At any rate fellow Rangers, if you'r looking for a Ranger Association that is good for both you and your wife to go to, I would suggest this one being...the US Army Ranger Association, and they have a website as well. Don't get me wrong....I like the USMRA and the Critter Cookout, but as they say, deep in the dark woods where we can all turn into "Cooter Brown"....probably isn't too geared for the wives....and so many other organizations can get a bit "political"...and starched collar where no one feels comfortable unless their a CSM or a General....where as....this one has no rank, requires one to be either a Ranger Course Graduate, or served in Combat with a Ranger Unit. The US Army Ranger Association has a "National HQ", but their really organized in "Districts". Each Reunion year takes it's turn in each District and it's that's District's turn to organize and set up the event. Next year it will be in Las Vegas, and the "Western District" will be the sponsor. There's also a Norther District (this years organizer), Central District and a Southern District. All are invited to attend everyone of them, but if a member can't due to time, or cost or whatever....at least that member knows that it will come around to being in his District soon, and he and his wife can plan for that one. I understand that an average is between 70-100 each Army Ranger "Muster". Great folks, easy to mingle with, and a great many are NOT retirees with a whole bunch of rank behind their name. I found that about 1/2 of them were not Retirees. Most of them are either retired from a full time civilian career but served in Korea or Viet Nam in Ranger Companies. A few were WWII Vets (not many), and some were post Viet Nam Vets, but no matter when they served, their was camaraderie and respect between each other, their wives and it really was a lot of fun. Take care Rangers.....Joe

Posted:	9/19/2008
Name:	Runyon
Message:	I e-mailed the posting about the donation to CSM Pfrogner.

Posted:	9/19/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Joe, click on the 5th Ranger Trn Bn, upper right corner. This will take you to 5th RTB page, then click contact RTB, You can leave them a message.Earl

Posted:	9/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	MESSAGE FOR 5TH RTB Command Group: The President of the US Army Ranger Association has asked me to pass on to the Command Group of 5th RTB: This Association (US Army Ranger Association) has $300.00 set aside for the soldiers of 5th RTB to be spent however the Command Group designates. This is $300.00 that's set aside by this organization especially for certain active duty Ranger units of which the 5th RTB is one of them. He noted that 5th RTB has not requested the money as of yet, this year, and he's anxious that someone of the Command Group contact him and request the funds. The money is to be spent on behalf of the soldiers in any way that the Command Group feels is most needed or appropriate....and I can think of a few things right off the top of my head. PLEASE, anybody reading this message, who can get in touch with the 5th RTB Command Group/Commander/CSM etc,....Please get this message to thim. The POINT OF CONTACT IS: A. Lincoln "Linc" German, President, US ARMY RANGER ASSOCIATION. EMAIL: lincgerman@aol.com and/or TELEPHONE: (703) 830-2484 (Home phone number). He is currently here at Lake George, NY with this years Association's Army Ranger "Muster", but will return next his home in Virginia next week. Can someone get the word to the Command Group? This is a "no strings attached" donation to the soldiers of 5th RTB, and it's $300.00. Thanks. A sitrep on this Associations meeting will be posted by me next week, but let me say this....it's been a very good time, and a great week. We have gone on two Bus Tours, One Dinner Cruise and tonight is the Association's Banquet. This has been quite an experience for the two of us. It wasn't what we expected at all. It's been a great "couples" Ranger get away, and it was lots of fun, and incredibly affordable. Next years "Muster" will be sponsored by the Western District of the Association and it's going to be in Vegas. For more information about this Association, you can visit their web page at US Army Ranger Association. Will someone PLEASE contact the 5th RTB Command group and tell them that there is $300.00 just waiting for the soldiers of 5th RTB....all they have to do is call. Thanks....Joe

Posted:	9/17/2008
Name:	Denise
Message:	Thank you guys so much for all the information, I had forgotten about Gold Rush Days being in October but heck it was years ago when I lived there, this will be the time I will be up your way, the wedding is on the 18th in Norcross, going to drive up from Kissimmee Florida I think on the 14th and stay till the 19th, heard there was a fantastic FISH tank in Atlanta to go see and the exhibit from the Titanic going on, things never seen before by the public. If there is anyone that was stationed at CFM during 1987-1990 please send me email if your in the area or going to be I would love to talk with you while there or anyone that knew 1SG Van Hendricks. (died 10/04/96 was shot 6 times in his garage) retired the year before. If anyone knows (retired) Capt. William Blackwell and his wife Paulette who was stationed at CFM during that time please contact me, I heard they left and went on to Kansas around 1990. Would love to hear from them !!

Posted:	9/16/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Update on the eating meeting to be held on 10-2-08. AL Partan myself. you and Pee wee need to be at the club NLT 1300 hrs to start cooking the oink oink.I have the oink I will start thawing it out the night before.I think we can cook everything on PW's big grill/smoker.Everybody is supposed to bring a covered dish of some sort. Yes this means Bob Suchke and Fast Eddie and Roger Mac.We also need chips and dip Potato salad, baked beans.deviled eggs etc.Al call me at home or my cell.RLTW.

Posted:	9/16/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Hi Denise, Octoberfest goes from Sept 11th thru Nov. 2nd in Helen. The Mountain Moonshine Festival in Dawsonville is Oct. 25th and 26th. Also the Georgia Apple Festival is in Ellijay Oct 11th and 12th, plus the 18th and 19th. Hope that helps. AP

Posted:	9/16/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Ross, soundslike a good Idea, I also think it could use a little updating and cleaning up. I just sent you a G-mail.

Posted:	9/16/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	We went and wandered around the museum at Camp Merrill the other day, not the first time, and we noticed the place needs a facelift. The glass display cases are full of dead bugs and not a lot else. There is plenty of room for more stuff in those cases. I'm told there is more stuff stored in the Boy Scout building, don't know, but would like to find out. There are no current photos, and not many of the past apart from aerial shots and stuff from way back. I think we can do better. Maybe I'll make a motion at the next meeting.

Posted:	9/16/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Denise, The second week in Oct. The Country Fair is going on in Cumming. The third weekend in Oct is Gold Rush Days in Dahlonega and of course everyday is a Holliday in Helen. They have a Octoberfest in Helen but I'm not sure of the dates. RLTW

Posted:	9/16/2008
Name:	Denise
Message:	I lived in Dahlonega for a short period of time with an Army Ranger (1988-89) 1SG Van Hendricks, then we had orders to move on, then married, everything was history after that, my question is, I will be in the area for a friends wedding the middle of October, is there anything going on in Dahlonega or Helen during this time??? I cant find anything on web sites.....Denise

Posted:	9/15/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Anyone want to update me on the Meet and Eat in October at the Club ?

Posted:	9/14/2008
Name:	J Massey
Message:	Greg, for now "watch yer top-knot" and keep the kids outta trouble as much as you can and we'll holler at you in the hills maybe this May.

Posted:	9/13/2008
Name:	Greg Baker
Message:	Jerry Massey, I'm back on the west side of Baghdad. We got about 6 months to go. I'm heading back to the hills for good after this one, and might even make the cookout next year.

Posted:	9/13/2008
Name:	Jerry Massey
Message:	1SG Runyon, send it to masseyj2001@yahoo.com, when you have a chance & you'll have all my contact info then too. I know you oughtta see TW (aka "varmit") @ BAF he'll probably have a good # for me too. If he's still around. Safe travels Ranger. Gregg Baker I saw yer name on here too, I take it you made it outta "sin-city" (Baghdad/Sadr-ville) with all your fingers and toes? I hope. The "lingo" used in your last message don't seem any worse for all the wear! I have also seen Roy posting up on here, it would appear you made it out with all your limbs in tact again too. Hope all are doin' well. RLTW!!

Posted:	9/12/2008
Name:	Private James Gray
Message:	To Greg Baker and Joe Mattison; thank you for the words of encouragement. I'll do my best to succeed and represent my country with honor. Being the son of a Ranger, I had the opportunity to meet many elite soldiers who are my role models. I'm looking forward to commissioning as an Infantry officer when I graduate and earning the tab as well. Thanks again and I hope to have the chance of meeting you guys some time. Best regards, James Gray

Posted:	9/11/2008
Name:	Runyon
Message:	Jerry Massey, I'm looking for your e-mail. I should be seeing you mid-Nov.

Posted:	9/10/2008
Name:	Ranger Tompkins
Message:	Mark Keith - Didn't bring home a new bride from Nigeria did ya Mark?

Posted:	9/10/2008
Name:	Greg Baker
Message:	To Private James Gray; Congratulations. But, damned if you don't make me feel like an old man. Your dad and I were sniper instructors a few decades ago, before either of us had wives or kids. I know he must be proud as hell.

Posted:	9/10/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Private James Gray: You're off to a great start. You'll be a much better Commissioned Officer due to the experience that you receive as a lower ranking Enlisted Man. You'll better appreciate what you're doing as the Officer in Charge of a Unit, and you'll recognize that what our Army really is all about, and that is....the soldiers. Congratulations on your opportunities at North Georgia College, and congratulations at being the Army's finest weapon...a Private Soldier with a rifle. We wish you the very best and hope that you "stay the course"...and make it all the way through to the Commissioning process. Good luck to you and you're soldiers in the future. Thanks for becoming one of America's finest citizens....a soldier!

Posted:	9/10/2008
Name:	Mark Keith
Message:	I returned from Nigeria a couple of weks ago and am thinking of going on another contract to Kabul, Afganistan. I understand that Jerry Massey is in that AO. If anyone has his e-mail please send it to rgrdmk@hotmail.com. RLTW Mark Keith

Posted:	9/9/2008
Name:	Pvt James Gray
Message:	My name is James Gray and my dad, SFC Gerald Gray retired from Camp Merrill at the end of 2006. When he retired, he was manager of the overhang club. I was one of the 2008 USMRA scholarship recipients and now that I have started college, I want to let you all know what I have done with the money. I am now a Private in the National Guard and a freshman cadet at North Georgia College. I used my scholarship money to help pay for my ROTC uniforms. The cost for the uniforms and equipment was about $1300, so my scholarship money was a really big help. My major will probably be in business and I'm going to commission when I graduate. Right now I am a candidate for the Mountain Order of Colombo. Were any of you friends with MSG Colombo? Next semester, I'll be going through basic training and AIT at Ft Benning and come back to North Georgia to finish college. I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate my USMRA scholarship. Thank you for supporting me with this scholarship. Sincerely, PVT/Cadet James C. Gray

Posted:	9/9/2008
Name:	Roy Close
Message:	To Ross Hall, I just read your spot report well said! By god Rangers we have a educated man among us! It is a gift to be able to write an communicate a thought so well. Sure beats my collection of addled thoughts that go off on tangents. Hopefully Ross we will finally get to meet at the next CCO. I just got back from the sand box and in a few days I will be dragging the family cross country to Ft Bragg. RLTW

Posted:	9/9/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Mama get you're bonnet....."Yum, Yum"!

Posted:	9/9/2008
Name:	Doug Perry.
Message:	Pat, 50 John Caldwell Dr. Dahlonega, Ga. 30533.706-864-2732.Where are you at ? The last time we had contact you were at Camp Drum N.Y....Pepsi Joe They will be cooked and served if you bring them. I have a recipe for them.Parboil and then deep fry.RLTW...

Posted:	9/9/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Just for you Doug Perry, I'm going to bring your very favorite! Just for you, I'm going to bring two bushels of "Mountain Oysters", but these are Yankee Mountain Oysters. I know you'll enjoy them.

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Al to you and yours for all that you do. Got the message. If I'm there, I'm bringing meat. It may come from a local grocery store, but I'm bring something to put on the grill for a lot of folks. Joe

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Pat Corcoran
Message:	Doug Perry, Can you send me your contact information, so I can include you as a reference for me. I need address and phone. Just send to my email if you don't mind... RLTW SGM Corcoran

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Rangers, I believe that the Open House will be on Memorial Day weekend 09. So with that said we " tabled " the decision on the CCO till next meeting. As with the last couple yrs, be prepared to have it near the Club, we just can't seem to get away from there. Joe, thanks for your support, that will keep the Club Huggers happy. I just ask everyone to keep in mind the crowd that we had for the past 2 CCO's. It aint gonna get any smaller, and word of mouth just means that we will need increased meat, and other food items, the beans and stew lasted all of 60 min at the last cookout, 2- 30 Qt. Low Country Boils about the same amount of time. More mouths + more food = more money needed to fund the event. PeeWee, Tami and I can only cook so much in the given time frame. Hope ya'll keep the points in mind. RLTW AP

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	It will always be the choice of one of the options I mentioned earlier...Do it with Open House, but away from Camp to keep it as an Association event only, and to keep the "Strap Hangers" away. Do it on another weekend and avoid the "Strap Hanger Crowd" because it's not on the Open House weekend and they won't be there, and we can meet at the Camp, use Camp facilies and not be bothered (I think that this one is what most of us really wants to do). Last Option...Do it on Open House Weekend, at the Camp, but be prepared for the swarm of "Strap Hangers". Those are really the options. My vote still stands....but it doesn't have to be Memorial Day weekend. Any weekend, when there isn't a class in Session at Camp Merrill, is probably ok also, it just doesn't allow for an extra day of travel, but then again, neither does the Open House weekend. Nothing to lose by shifting it to "another weekend" that isn't a Federal Holiday. Flexibility is the key to all of this I guess, and I await the final word. Take care Rangers. Joe

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Memorial Day sounds great, but traditionally it is a time for gathering, particulary family gatherings. In my case, I've played in a horseshoe tournament every Memorial Day weekend for about 15 years. Got the trophies to prove it. Others leave town for the long weekend. Consider that the drive to escape Open House depends more on the place than the time.

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Joe, thats mighty generous of you to put up $200.00 Bucks at the Club, That should keep Doug happy for an hour or two. I think you are right on, most people just want to spend time with their old Ranger Buds and swap lies. That is especially true of us older Rangers who may be getting close to their last patrol, if you know what I mean. more later. RLTW

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Message for Earl: I got an idea. Let's do the Critter Cookout on Halloween. We can all get dressed up on out "past era" Ranger Clothes, smear on some face paint, pull out our favorites bottles of something or another....just kidding....I agree...I really and honestly do think that the Memorial Day Weekend of Friday Night and Saturday Night is the best time to do it. That's a personal opinion, because the "Open House" is really for all the Civilians who can point up to the sky and say "the plane, the plane"....as for us who's done it a time or two...don't really care, but we do want to "personal time" with the Rangers that we served with, without a bunch of others running around and eating out "cooked critters" and drinking our "stuff". Keep us posted. I have to put in for leave pretty soon. Take care...Joe

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross, I went to your new "site"....I think your off to a great start! Good luck with it. I have added it to my "favorites" list. Take care Joe

Posted:	9/8/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Got a new website up and running. Not finished yet, a work in progress, but you can access it by typing in www.therangerwriter.com. We plan to expand it frequently with photos, blogs, spot reports,etc. Check it out.

Posted:	9/6/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Steve, Earl, Doug, Al, Bob, Ross and all others who are planning on making it to the 2009 CCO, here is my committment to the event. I'm good for the first $200.00 on the bar at the NCO Club, and that committment is good whether I'm able to make it or not. If I can make it, I'll bring it in cash. If for some reason that I can't then I'll get it onto the Bar at the NCO Club through Steve Hawk. Either way, the first $200.00 is on me, and that's just to say thanks to all of you, and for the memories. Joe

Posted:	9/6/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Two responses...1. Ross: I'm sorry to hear of the loss of a friend. They're never gone as long as they remain in our memories and our hearts. 2. Earl, thats my vote, and thanks for the update. I spent more then one Memorial Day at CFM over the years and unless something has changed, that was one really long and quiet weekend at Camp Merrill. Active duty folks were gone (unless a class was in session), and the place was a ghost town. If the "committee" does select Memorial Day weekend, and if a Class is out of session, might I suggest that further coordination be made with the Command Group at Camp Merrill for the use of the Dining Facility, and possibly the Ranger Student Barracks as a "bunk house" and we can all "sleep it off" wrapped up in our poncho liners. If I were the Camp's CSM, the whole Camp would be turned over to the Association on CCO weekend....if there were no students in cycle. Just my opinion. Thanks for keeping us updated. Joe

Posted:	9/6/2008
Name:	JM
Message:	After looking over all the shit swirling around the bowl over the CCO has anyone mentioned that "hole" just up the hill on the right past the water plant on Black Farms Rd.? And to answer the driving question. No vehicles allowed out there except to pickup and drop off supplies and pegg-legged Rangers. The rest can walk. And I am sure someone we know if not me can come up with a device for measuring the fermented content in ones lungs prior to them'uns gettin' they're keys back...........if you wanna go that fer!

Posted:	9/6/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Ross, I'm very sorry to hear about Don. He was a great man and provided a great service for the Airborne and Ranger community. He will be missed. My prayers go out to him and his family...Joe,it looks like the Open House might be during the Memorial Day weekend next year. Not sure but we will know by Oct. meeting. RLTW

Posted:	9/6/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Don Lassen, publisher of the Static Line Airborne newsmagazine and promoter of Airborne Man of the Year, died August 8. His daughter, Annette, is going to carry on. He was a good man.

Posted:	9/6/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Earl, I forgot to add my preference....I prefer the Memorial Day weekend of Friday and Saturday leaving Sunday afternoon and all of Monday to get back home myself. I have either participated or been in so many open house demonstrations, that I really don't get too excited about seeing Black Hawks, Weapons, or parachutes anymore...Been there and done that a few times....I'd rather spend a great time with Rangers around a fire pit or outside, and on the back porch of the club...then get all tangled up with the spectators who come to see the Black Hawks fly....but that's just my opinion. I'm probably alone on this one, but honest to goodness....I'd rather laugh it up and remember the good times...with people I know rather then (for me) waste a day watching "stuff" that I did for 25 years. I'm positive that the younger Rangers on active duty are as good, and probably better then what we did....so I don't need to see the "demos". Just my opinion. Thanks...Joe

Posted:	9/6/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Earl, I have heard before from another source about the "strap hangers" that show up as chow eaters. Never been to a CCO, but to tell you the truth, unless they are genuine members of the Assoc., I really don't need to meet these people do I? Yep, out and away from Camp is a good idea if it's held on the day of the Open House. If it's moved to another day then the "crowd" won't be an issue, and I would guess that the "strap hangers" won't be there. In fact, It's even possible that we could have it near the NCO club if we were to pick some obscure weekend, not connected with any event. Looks like it really boils down to three options: 1. Move the location away from Camp, and keep it on the same weekend as Open House. 2. Do the CCO on another weekend that is not connected to the Open House. 3. Suck it up, and share the food, and beer with any and all strap hangers. I hope it gets figured out soon, I have to put in a leave request for this event. Good luck with it. Thanks..Joe

Posted:	9/5/2008
Name:	Roy Close
Message:	I agree with Earl, had I fell completely into the dark abyss that night you could have just thrown a nice hand full of daisies in after me and skipped the memorial.

Posted:	9/5/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Thanks Joe, I agree with Steve the CCO should be on the same day as open house for reasons stated. However it should not be on the Camp area. This year we had a hundred or two strap hangers eating up the chow and interfering with Rangers trying to enjoy each others company. Anywhere else would be fine with me. We are suppose to make a decision next meeting, then I hope everyone will go with the flow. RLTW

Posted:	9/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Well said Earl. Where ever or when ever....everyone is responsible for their own actions. Ranger buddies can look after each other like we always have. Thanks Earl for the update. I for one don't need a babysitter. I'm bringing my poncho liner!

Posted:	9/5/2008
Name:	Mike Flack
Message:	I love this message board. It makes me laugh, makes me cry. As to the CCO, I like having it in conjunction with the Open House, but when all is said and done, one weekend is as good as another to me. I think it good to work in accordance with the commander's wishes, so I'm with Steve Hawk on his comments. Whenevr and wherever, at least we get the annual opportunity to see what Doug Perry looks like. And a few others.

Posted:	9/5/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Last night I attened our monthly meeting, and as usual most of the time was spent discussing the critter cookout. Rangers I'm afraid this is going to cause hurt feelings in our assn. So I will say this stand up let your opinions be known,let the majority rule and then support your assn. One of the arguments against Penn Cove, was the last time we had it there a couple of the Old Rangers had to much to drink and ran off the road. I stroungly feel this should not be and issue in were we have the CCO. If someone gets drunk and runs off the road and kills himself we should have a nice memorial for his dumb a.. and then drive on. If we have young active duty troops attend, I'm sure the active duty NCOS can handle the situation.RLTW

Posted:	9/5/2008
Name:	Ranger Tompkins
Message:	Rangers,, could use some help. I work with a High School JROTC program in Greenbrier County WVA. We have a Raiders program. We compete against other schools and need some of the old Army canvas litters. I could use two. If you know of a surplus outfitter who has them, we have funds to buy them. Or if some of you old Rangers have a couple lying around gathering dust I would accept donations and pay the shipping... Thanks - Ranger Tompkins

Posted:	9/5/2008
Name:	Jim REGAN
Message:	Just Checkin'in. I read the "log" 'most every day to see what's up. Will do my best to make the Open House in '09. Missed last year. Best wishes to all. Jim RLTW

Posted:	9/4/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Let us not forget the Friday Fish Fry done by Steve Bishop and Ted Tilson and the Bluberry Breakfast on Sat. Morning. After the meeting tonight I will post all related info for the CCO, that is if I am still the CCO Commander.Someone else may want a chance to get a go at it. AP

Posted:	9/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Steve: I think that both of them are good ideas. Let's do it, unless someone else has another idea.

Posted:	9/4/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Joe As to when, several years ago we were asked by the Camp Commander to have the Critter Cookout at the same time as Open House for several reasons. One, they could support the event better logistically, because they were out of cycle and they were preparing for Open House. Two, more of the Active duty Rangers could attend because they were off after open house. Three, many of our members wanted to come to the open house and the critter cookout but had to make a choice, because they were at seperate times. As to where, I would prefer to have it away from camp, but near enough to cut down on travel. Perhaps the planning bays on top of the hill behind the motor pool. Secluded from the general population, accessable by vehicle, short distance from the activities, plenty of parking. Steve

Posted:	9/4/2008
Name:	BOB KAUFMAN
Message:	WOW! I didn't know that this part of the web site existed. I am glad to post a message to all my former Ranger Buddies from Camp Merrill. Served from 90-93 (mountaineering team) under Mike the jet Ramsey. Was in 1/75 from 82-86 then moved to hawaii 86-90 then camp merrill, back to hawaii from 93-94, medically discharged in dec 94 because of a severe back injury. Graduated from college in 97 and working as an Alabama certified WeighmasterL. my Family and I are living just west of Birmingham Alabama. Has anyone heard or talked to Rgr Eisenberger or Rgr Hershey? Well i'll close for now. My email is ssg1stbat@aol.com Ranger Kaufman P.s. is anyone going to the 25th anniversary of the mission to Grenada beginning on the 24 and a picnic on the 25th of oct.

Posted:	9/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Steve. I think that all of us understand, and can appreciate your comments with regards to safety. What are your opinions with regards to When, and Where?

Posted:	9/3/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Fellow Rangers I know Joe wants us to continue the dialoge on the CCO, and anything else that comes to mind. This message board is for exactly that. To share thoughts and memories and to generate the commraderie on-line that we share when we come together. I was particularly interested in T.A.U.T.T. (The Association for Upright Ta Tas) as many other messages that seem to bring memories to this old head. Let me point out a few of the problems that I see with our various choices for the CCO. First I am agianst the lower area for the CCO. When I was working for the local Sheriff's Office I remember the case of the Ranger who fell from the 60 ft wall while entertaining someone and I continue to fear that old Rangers and young alike would venture to far if the CCO were to be held there. Call me over cautious , but as your Chairman I must make an assesment of the safety concerns for this event. And since I cannot be everywhere at the same time. I feel the safety issues override the many calls for the event to be held there. We can not have it at the far end of the airfield if we have it during the Open house because of aircraft positioning. And I hold the Penn Cove reunions as some of my greatist memories , our attendence has far outgrown the area. Several reason here. Lack of vehicle space, distance to and from the club, and the road is not getting any wider. The Pine valley events were great with great facilities but agian safety was a major concern. As many of you know, many of our members would venture back to the club after the event there or would go home. A single life is not worth the pleasure of the event. And a DUI would heavly mar the reputation of the USMRA and the Camp. I do not want either to happen. We(the USMRA) have worked for over ten years to gain the respect of the community and the other Ranger Associations to let a single incident cast a grim shadow on our activities. Another problem is that many of our members want to come to Open House and Critter cookout and want them at the same time so that vacations and days off can be used wisely. And let's face reality that the current gas prices will greatly reduce the travel for all of us. We also want to support the 5th RTB and the Critter Cookout is part of the draw to the camp on that day. I asked myself if it would diminise the numbers attending greatly and I do not believe so, but now, there is a air of expectation from the general public, wheather or not they come to the CCO they want all the sights, sounds and smells to be present when they come. If we stand by our creed and by the by-laws of the association and we never fail our comrades, and promote the brotherhood, it puts us in a deliema here. Rangers, as your Chairman I do not have a vote. But I would be greatly remiss in my duties if I failed to point out all the factors we MUST deal with when we make a decision. I care not where we meet, I care that we meet and return to our individual patrol bases with another year worth of fellowship to tide us over, safely, and with that undiscriable need to meet agian for as long as the Great Ranger in the Sky gives me the opportunity to do so. When I sit with my wife and sons, break bread and recall family events, I am sad to see them leave but happy to have been together. When I share bread and wine with each of you at these event, tell the same war stories, or invent new ones (Bill Murrey) I am sad to see you leave, happy that we have been together but for another year my soul is complete. Rangers Lead the Way Steve Hawk

Posted:	9/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For all...there is some discussion going on "behind the scenes" with regards to this up and coming CCO in 2009. Is the Memorial Day Weekend...(specifically Friday and Saturday of that weekend) a problem for anyone? There are some issues that I've learned about with previous CCOs that I was unaware of, and hopefully this can be pinned down, and Al can begin to do the final coordination on all of it soon, and get the "word out" on when/where etc,... Take care Rangers where ever you are or what ever you're doing..Joe

Posted:	9/3/2008
Name:	cecil sager
Message:	Ross,I feel I should still say SGM Hall old habits still stick with me. I am so sorry for your family. SGM I will pray for you and your family I wish I was closer so I could lend you the support you gave me thoses years ago. I will pray that the big ranger in the sky will look over your family during your times of grief. I am getting to old to keep up with the kids here in kuwait so I think I will be home before to long. Cecil Sager csa security EOC apo-ae 09366-9905

Posted:	9/2/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ok by me Bob, who has other ideas? Looking for ideas on where and when? Anybody else got any ideas? Joe

Posted:	9/2/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Joe...yep, thats the name of it...Black Farms Road. I sure ran it enough a few times. Congrats to your son, and yes, it is a small world. What do you think Joe? Where and when do you think would be a good time for the CCO? Joe

Posted:	9/2/2008
Name:	Joe Nowak
Message:	Joe, That would be Black Farms road(would you believe that my youngest son's future mother in law is the Grandaughter of the folks that used to farm it. She remembers milking cows there) Ain't got to worry bout that 30 foot ramp, it ain't there no more. They gots themselves a high speed tower/climbing wall, complete with roof and everything now. The Rope shack is gone too, got a new one but.... Back when it was hard....... Joe

Posted:	9/1/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Roy, How about at the end of the gravel road that goes by the Motor Pool. Can't remember the name of that road, but it only does a dead end, and the Etowah is right there. Another opition is down at Lower Mountaineering area....easy to set up a serving line, plenty of places to sit down, and there used to be burn barrels that we could build a fire in. Lastly, for all of us who show up with our sleeping bags or Poncho liners, lot of grass to stretch out on down by the bridging site and we can still do some trout fishing. There's latrines there also, already in place. We just need to make everyone swear to stay off the 30' ramp and 60' cliff training sites...we don't do that stuff anymore, don't have the equipment and lastly, ain't getting paid for it! I prefer the "lowers" area myself...any other ideas? Joe

Posted:	9/1/2008
Name:	Roy Close
Message:	I guess early signs of old age kicking in! Point I was getting at don't care what day, what weekend as long as it facilitates that Max amount of Rangers being able to attend the critter cook out. If we are away from Camp a ways we do not interfere with anyone if it is during open house and interlopers away even if it is not during open house. RLTW

Posted:	9/1/2008
Name:	Roy Close
Message:	Deep in the woods in the middle of the night--thats what I'm talkin' about, seems like our home page kinda sums it up Rangers. I love my wife dearly but she can and is more than happy to have me out of the house every now and then. A clandestine patrol base with Rangers old and new sitting around a fire eating half cooked wild critters telling tall tales and speaking in tongues that only other Rangers understand! What is said in the woods stays in the woods. We are where Rangers are suppose to be in the woods or we can move it downtown to the square, eat soft serve ice cream, play checkers and sleep on soft beds. I liked penn cove, end of the airfield wouldn't be bad either. I understand I haven't been to one in a few years and the great people that have put them together every year it makes it easier to support by bringing it in closer to camp. Just my thoughts on it. On night out of a year to be alone with friends and fellow Rangers. RLTW

Posted:	8/31/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Would it be possible to get the fish hatchery to "stock" the Etowah for some kind of fishing derby on Saturday, of which all of it would be towards the meal of the Critter Cookout...I also think that Bob has a pretty good idea of separating the "public support" that the USMRA does (and is good for the Public Relations etc,) from the actual Critter Cookout...this would enhance the CFMs day with "tokens etc," when the general public is at CFM, and can be handled by the Association Leadership and Volunteer Representatives, and later,...at another time, when its "just us"...we do the CCO. I suggested Memorial Day Weekend, but...I think it's wide open to better ideas. I like to trout fish....can it all be put together? Lastly, I'm not sure about wives and families...I think it's ok, with the wives....but "little ones" probably don't need to hear the war stories told in graphic color, or with the usual expletives...that are used to enhance the point. Our wives are used to our crude and vulgar ways and they also know all of the words to all our our "one eyed Pirate songs"...but the kids probably don't need to go back to school singing them. Just an idea. Who's got a better one?

Posted:	8/31/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	What does everybody else think about the Critter Cookout being over the Memorial Day Weekend. A tentative plan could be: Friday evening: Meet at the Club at 1900 for a "welcome social"...and this would be for the early arrival folks. Saturday: Breakfast and lunch in the Messhall and the "Critter Cookout", being at the NCO Club area that night for supper, followed with more Ranger "lies" and figmentations of our own memories" at the NCO Club. This day would really be the "Main Event Day". Sunday: Breakfast in the Messhall, Memorial Services in honor of our Fallen Comrades, and "farewells". Lunch in the Messhall....and departure from Camp. This will leave 1/2 day on Sunday and all of Monday (a Federal Holiday), as a Travel day, plus the. For those flying...or traveling great distances, this will give one and 1/2 full day before going back to work, and the event won't interefere with local (Dahlonega, or CFM) Memorial Day plans. Just and idea.....who has other ideas???? Joe

Posted:	8/31/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Doug, I personally think that the Memorial Day weekend would be a good time....start on a Friday night and finish with a Memorial Day Service on Monday morning. It's later then April which is prone the rain the weather isn't too hot. It's usually a time when most if not all of us can get off, and it's not running in conjunction with the Open House which may be of concern to the Command Group, at CFM. Just and idea....what do others think?

Posted:	8/30/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Pepsi Joe. The date of the 2009 CCO has not been determined yet.It is supposed to be on the same date as the CFM open house. There has been a lot of discussion about this ,the site and time.If you and everybody has any input please feel free to do so.Al Parton is the CCO commander. please let him know your pros and cons.As to the place ,date ,ETC.We are being watched by the 5th RTB command group as to the site. time,place, etc.Their concern is safety, and space advailable.I.E. They have to have a place for Air Support and civilians and medical and fire concerns.Joe let us know your views as a past CSM.RLTW.

Posted:	8/30/2008
Name:	JIMMY OWENS
Message:	Yeah-- When is the next Crittttter Cookout and who will be the "Surprise Guest" or will it be "Bill Murry" again, I had to stand in line way to long to see him last time ? JIM

Posted:	8/30/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	When is the next "Critter Cookout"?

Posted:	8/30/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	First let me say that I, as many of you, really do understand and can appreciate the loss suffererd by our Ranger friend, Ross Hall. No one can explain or diminish that loss that he and his family is going through. No matter what we say or what we do, the loss that he is going through has to be through a process that none of us will be able to understand or totally appreciate at this time. It is my experience that the best way is to say...."hi Ross, how the heck are you doing..." and let it go on... from there. As others who read comments on this site, and have lost someone very close will attribute,...sometimes, it can get a bit "thick", and sometimes, it's best not to bring it up....so, for the benefit of Ross as well as others (Bill), let's just move it on....because that is what life is all about...moving on. That is what Ross wants, and that is what others want...so for their benefit, and in their honor, let's move it on...who the heck out there has a message to post that is absolutely out of this world....come on Doug and "Cookie" (with the beautiful eyes...not you Doug)....let the messages flow....and let's let the messages begin!! Love ya Rangers...always have...Joe

Posted:	8/29/2008
Name:	Joe
Message:	Thanks John.

Posted:	8/29/2008
Name:	John Tompkins
Message:	Ranger Tompkins here...Been off the net. Hello to everyone. Have a nice holiday all my Ranger friends. You guys overseas, Thanks and stay low.

Posted:	8/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	What the heck over??? doesn't anyone know how to use a keyboard...? Aren't there any messages of importance or someone trying to contact someone/somewhere....lets get on with it, for Ross and his family, life goes on.... ok? .....Thanks........Joe

Posted:	8/26/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Just a reminder. The US Army Ranger Association Convention is fast approaching. It's going to be a Lake George, NY and it includes tours of Rogers Island, Ft Ticonderoga, and a Battle Field in Vermont as well as a Dinner Cruise and the usual get togethers, annual banquet and of course, "whiskey drinking" for those who are so inclined. You don't have to be a member of the Association to participate. It's open to all Rangers. You can get more information by going on line and reading about it on the coverage page of the website for: US Army Ranger Association. This one is a very affordable convention with special hotel rates and lots of "freebies"... Hope to see you there..Jan and I will make it there on Wednesday, and stay through early Saturday morning then.....it's back to work. Take care, Joe

Posted:	8/25/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Many of us who are member of the USMRA live a great distance from Dahlonega. I ask and hope that the members who are within easy driving distance are able to stay in touch and "monitor" events so that one of our own...being Ross Hall and his family is safe. I give special thanks to all of the local Dahlonega Rangers who are able to make that happen. Thanks Rangers of past and present for all that you have done, and all that you do! Joe

Posted:	8/25/2008
Name:	Brian Cunningham
Message:	Ross: Just got back to town and learned of your loss. I pray that the Holy Spirit comfort you and your family at this time of sadness.

Posted:	8/22/2008
Name:	Jimmy Owens
Message:	Ross, I'm very sorry for your loss. You and Your Family are in our prayers. We all wish You and Your Family the Best. God Bless -- JIM

Posted:	8/22/2008
Name:	Mark Stout
Message:	Ross,I just wanted you know your family is in our prayers.I am glad you have such a good support system down there.I know the Ranger family will meet any needs your family has.God's best to you my friend.RLTW.Mark

Posted:	8/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	It's very important that the local Rangers stay in touch with Ross and his family at this time. For those who have lost someone very close, and very dear, you know what I mean. Take care Rangers and thanks for what ALL of you do! Joe

Posted:	8/22/2008
Name:	Bill Miller
Message:	Ross and Family, From all of us in the Ranger Advisor community (BDQ) our hearts and prayers are with you and your family during this very difficult time. God Bless and keep the faith. RLTW

Posted:	8/20/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	My friends, we have jumped through all the hoops imposed by society to get my son's ashes back home. The memorial service was standing room only. USMRA was well represented. I confess I don't remember much of it. We'll go to north Fla and scatter his ashes in a favorite river there. To all those who supported us, we salute you. And now, as they say, life goes on.

Posted:	8/18/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Ross and Sharon, Tammy, Britt and I are so sorry for your loss. If there is ANYTHING you need for us to do, we are here for you Brother. Take Care RLTW Al P.

Posted:	8/18/2008
Name:	Jim REGAN
Message:	Dear Ross, you and your family are on the our Prayer list.Jim RLTW

Posted:	8/17/2008
Name:	bob dawes
Message:	Ross, my deepest condolences. Your family and son are in my prayers.

Posted:	8/17/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	There is no more devastating a loss than the loss of a child. May the Good Lord help you through this terrible time. The entire Ross family is in my prayers.

Posted:	8/16/2008
Name:	Cathy Beck
Message:	Ross, Sharon & Deborah Hall, I am so, so sorry and all of you are in my PRAYERS! May God ease your pain! If I can do anything for any of you please, please let me know.

Posted:	8/16/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	My friends, we are hard hit but not sinking. Our family is large and extended and there is much support. Thank you all for your kind words and brotherhood. Cameron was a big, goofy kid who could fix or break anything. He was hard not to like. His real father is in the wind, but I raised him since he was two. He always thought of me as his dad, and I considered without doubt he was my son. Sharon is also a step parent, but equally involved with him. His mother is Deborah Hall, lives (unbelievably) next door to me. Phone 706-974-4240. He is survived by four brothers. Memorial service is Monday 18 August at Banister's, 1100 hours. Again, thank you my brothers for your support.

Posted:	8/16/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	It's difficult for me to add words that haven't already been said. What can I say? I'm at a loss. Thanks Steve for the info. Let me know what I can do.

Posted:	8/16/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Ross I can not say it any better than what Steve has said. I feel the same way. I wil keep you and your family in my prayers brother. I'm here if you need me. Earl

Posted:	8/16/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Steve. I talked to Sharon and she said that she would update us on any information.Just a few days ago I took some pictures to Ross and Cameron was there helping Him do some work.I know that his mother and father and brothers will miss him so much.May God bless this Family.RLTW.

Posted:	8/16/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Rangers It seems most of my posts are always somber and unfortunately this one is no different. Many of you know Ross Hall, our historian, writer, buddy and friend. He has the toughest mission coming up. He faces the loss of a child. Ross's son, Cameron, was killed early today in an automobile accident just a few miles from arriving home. Cameron was 22 years old. No arrangements have been made yet pending further investigation of the accident. Ross has sent out word that he will be out of the net for a while . If you have the time please let all know about this and send your condolences. Ross, I am so sorry for you , Sharon, and the family. My friend I prayed for your health, welfare and asked for the courage of the Great Ranger to come over you in this most troubling time. Marcia and I, along with our sons, want you and Sharon to know you are cared for, loved and we share your loss. Brother, all you have to do is ask and we as a family will do what we need to do for you and yours. Never forget that your Ranger family is also there when you need us. I will post service information when it is available. Steve

Posted:	8/15/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Doug, I'm going to try very hard to make it to the Critter Cookout for 2009! The month of April is a little tough for us northern, Yankee Rangers due to the weather which is either snow/ice or really cold rains. That is the transition month for most of us, who really do use a snow shovel. Even Rogers Rangers didn't try to move very far or very fast in April. they saved all of their fun for late May. Take care...Joe

Posted:	8/15/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Jerry, Yeah I planted two rows of Silver Queen on Guy Wimpy Rd. and somebody stole over half of it.I can rule you out because it was not ready when you left.I dont know about Runyon.Jerry keep yer topknot down. Runyon let me know how you are doing from time to time. The Oct, meeting of the USMRA will be a eating meeting. CSM John Burns has agreed to provide a wild hog for the eating. Tom. went down to Garrett Farms yesterday not an apple on the ground Hogs, deer, and ranger studs I guess. Keep in touch. Pepsi Joe, are you going to make it down this year? Joe you cant take it with you, take some time off. Mike Flack, Thanks for the photos. hope to get over to see you soon.RLTW..

Posted:	8/14/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ok, ok...I found the Foundation that Ross talked about. It's great!!! The photos are outstanding...I really recommend joining...you can e-mail me and I'll give you the address. Have a credit card ready...it only costs $100.00 for 6 months, (no wonder Ross joined the foundation). Joe

Posted:	8/14/2008
Name:	JMassey
Message:	Doug, I heard you grew some corn this year.....how'd that come through for ya'? I bet it was pretty nice huh?

Posted:	8/13/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Ross, glad to be a help for the Foundation.

Posted:	8/12/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross, How do I get more information regards that foundation that you mentioned?

Posted:	8/12/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Al, I sold your stuff and gave the money to the Foundation For Upright TaTas.

Posted:	8/11/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	D41C, hey Joel, thanks for the Duenas confirmation. Long time no hear, you need to do some input on this book Ross is writing. I know some of the stories you have, I was there. Lets hear them. Been gone a little while to " See Rock City " and all the sites around Chattanooga. Ross, you still got my stuff ? I was at the Tenn. Aquarium during the meeting last week. JC, e-mail me about the other site I used to be on. It will not let me in, Password ?

Posted:	8/11/2008
Name:	Jerry
Message:	Any of you fellas over here in Afghanistan need anything and I can be of any assistance contact me at cell#0796854656. I'm livin' in Kabul and on an MTT so I be gettin' around. I'm at KMTC about everyday when I'm not on the road. 1SG Runyon, let me know when you hit the ground.

Posted:	8/11/2008
Name:	Denise
Message:	Does anyone know the where abouts of retired Capt. William Blackwell, (wife Paulett) who served at Camp Merrill around 1987-89, then moved to I think Kansas, later retired as a Major.....please email me !! Thanks

Posted:	8/8/2008
Name:	Tom Greer
Message:	I am searching for old scroll rangers from both 1 and 2/75 who participated in OP Urgent Fury in 83. I was a PV2 during that era in C Co. 1/75 and am now retired. I am writing a book about the tactical details of the battle and of the men who participated. Any recollections of those days would be greatly appreciated. If you would like to share your memories please contact me. Thanks very much for your time.

Posted:	8/8/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	"Major" Wayne A. Downing was my second XO after "Rock Hudson" in 1/75. Over the years, we both advanced up the "food chain", and we never forgot our "roots" and always found time to "reconnect" when we saw each other. The "WAD" was a special Ranger to all Rangers, and he always made sure that the "boys" were fully armed and outfitted. We as a Ranger Community owe him a great deal. He's buried at the US Military Academy at West Point, here in NY. I've already done the trip, and I want to reassure all that he's buried in the Academy cemetary with a "simple soldier" type of marker.

Posted:	8/7/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I just read an online article that I found to be interesting so I'll pass this one on. Peoria Heights, Illinois, the childhood home of General (D) Wayne A. Downing has just opened a new American Legion Post. It is: Wayne A. Downing Post #1111 of the American Legion in Peoria, Ill.

Posted:	8/7/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I again want to take a moment to ask all Rangers who served with 1/75 back in 1974 to contact Sherry klein. She is also the one who maintains the rosters of the WWII Ranger Battalions Association. She is acting on behalf of MG (R) Leur and Col Nightingale. Sherry asks that all 1974 Rangers of 1/75 contact her: sherrymcklein@aol.com the purpose is to establish a "contact" roster and to put together a reunion on the 35th anniversary of the forming of 1/75. The 35th anniversary is next year...2009. Please contact her, and if you know of someone who is an original member of 1/75 back in 1974 whether at Ft Benning or Ft Stewart, she asks that you pass the word along to them. Thanks..Joe

Posted:	8/6/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Messages: 1. Ranger Cleary, thanks for the update on that very unfortunate Rappelling incident in the Fla Ranger Camp. Things can' be "undone", God forbid we didn't learn, and do something like that again. I stressed over and over again to the RIs (especially the RIs who do Mountaineering training) to never, ever take your eyes off the Ranger Student or the situation that the Ranger Student is in. If the Ranger Student is moving, he had better be "clipped in" to something if he's over 10 feet above the ground. All it takes is 1/2 of a second, and the Ranger takes a death fall from anyone of the possible lanes on Yonah, and all it takes is one time, not to check the "Belay Man", and the litter, Piggy back, or Rappeller...goes for a "Death Fall". Knock on Wood as they say...nothing happened...and lets hope that nothing ever happens. Yep, my blood pressure would rise, but outwardly, I had confidence in the RI who was responsible for the "safety" of a particular training event. At the same time, I had one eye on what was going on, at all times. We had great cadre during my time in the MRC and to tell you the truth, complacency because of their "greatness" was always there...and sometimes, I had to "shake it off" and wake up (if you will), because they really were...just that good. To Ross: I really do suggest that you contact June Wood. She will remember exactly who was serving at the MRC and in the proper sequence if you give her some time to sort out the names. Thanks Doug for helping Ross out. Lastly...Cookie:.....you'r a special girl Cookie, and there was a time that a lot of us would go to the "Comsy" to buy something that we really didn't need...just so's we could get a good look at ya...you had a way of breaking up the routine of Camp in those days, and I think that a lot of the Cadre spent time in the Comsy, for no particular reason...."officially".

Posted:	8/6/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	Geez Joe, you forget how to take a gouge or what?? You kept mentioning Cialis...just thought you might be confused about which head you were supposed to be using in this situation. ;-) And...just because I don't remember a name doesn't mean the guy didn't exist - just means that I don't remember (after all, I only have one brain and it's not so good anymore). I started work at the Comsy (and no, I can't remember this either) in 82 or 83, but I think it was 82. I quit for a short while - I think that was 84 (after LTC Terrell's suggestion that I not kill Betty Jo) - then came back in early 85, I think. During my first couple of years, I was not "allowed" by husband or father-in-law (who worked at CFM) to associate with....anyone, so I didn't know a lot of y'all very well. Besides....y'all all looked the same in uniform and with your hi 'n tights. ;-) I remember more of y'all during my second time around - and after awhile, I could pretty much tell who was who by stance....or even watching one of y'all walk across the cow pasture after a jump. But that was 20-something years ago - and while I may remember a face, chances are that the name is lost in my memory somewhere. Ross - sorry that I'm not any help....but I am looking forward to your book. I hope you will reserve a copy for me too! ~C

Posted:	8/6/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Ross; June lives up here in Gods country not far from me.RLTW..

Posted:	8/6/2008
Name:	Delta Four One Charlie (Cleary)
Message:	Al, we all know you need your "beauty sleep" lol. Just a couple of notes as it's been a while and I'm just getting caught up. SGM Miller took over for SGM Hall. I believe Hall was moving on to an ROTC assignment. SGM Weekly took over for a short time down there at FRD and then moved to BRD. SGM Cruise took over for him. Joe, regarding the rapppelling incident at FRD, Duenas was the rappellmaster for that a/c. There was an unfortunate chain of events that led up to the incident, but Duenas took the hit for it and it always stayed with him, and probably still does to this day. I will say that all he did was follow SOP, and I'll just leave it at that. Even though the student pilots from Rucker were sidelined for a while with the DPTMS birds stepping up, eventually both began to cycle through as things calmed down. Lastly, I'll end this post with a bit of humor. Myself, Miller and Leisenger were down at BRC 87. Official business was concluded and we were all enjoying some libations. First, some background. Anyone that knew Miller knew he would have a psychosematic reaction whenever someone would hurl, especially onboard any type of a/c. Anyone that knew Leisenger knew he literally hated mayonnaise and couldn't stand the stuff. Fast forward. I got the idea to serve Reed up a sandwich after hearing him bitching continuously about being hungry while were drinking at BRC. There was this jar of mayonnaise close to where all the condiments were and I had an idea. Yep, brought my Ranger Buddy a snack to shut him up. He grabbed it, got about halfway into the second bite, pulled it away from his mouth, looked at it, pulled the bread apart and, well, you know what happened next. The funniest part was the initial reaction with Reed's look of disgust on his face and Miller started to laugh uncontrolably at Reed's misfortune......that was, until Reed lost his cookies, and in typical fashion, Miller lost his alongside with Reed. What really made the whole damn thing even funnier, was both of them were splitting their sides while puking their guts out beside each other. I about fell over, my sides hurt that bad. Good times. RLTW, JC

Posted:	8/6/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Okay, how do I get in touch with June Wood?

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Cookie: I remember SGM Fletcher VERY, VERY well. I was his Ops NCO when he reported in for duty, and I was still the Ops NCO when he left (swapped) with SGM Bill Miller. It was Miller who finally got me out of the Ops Shop and back into the business of being an RI. It was then that I went to the Mountaineering Committee and got to work for Gordon Roberts. Some of the best times of my life!

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Bob....that's where I remember Hall! That was the ticket...matching Commanders with the SGMs gave it a perspective of "time" in my memory banks. Now I remember SGM Hall! Outstanding...thanks again.

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	SSG Laural Smitty
Message:	I remember Hokie Wolf too. He made me laugh to the point of hysterics on a 747 flight to Utah. We all had beer and chased the staff around the first class cabin. Mann, those were good times!!! Hi everyone at the club.

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	FOR ALL ORIGINAL MEMBERS OF 1/75, 1974: PLEASE CONTACT MS SHERRY KLEIN BY E-MAIL. HER E-MAIL ADDRESS IS: sherrymcklein@aol.com. SHERRY IS REPRESENTING MG LEUR AND COL NIGHTINGALE, WHO HAVE REQUESTED ALL ORIGINAL MEMBERS OF 1/75 TO CONTACT HER. IF YOU WERE IN 1/75 AND PARTICIPATED IN THE CERTIFYING ROAD MARCH IN DECEMBER OF 1974, THEN YOU ARE CONSIDERED TO BE AN ORIGINAL MEMBER OF 1/75 AND HAVE THE TITLE OF "PLANK-HOLDER". AGAIN: ON BEHALF OF MG LEUR AND COL NIGHTINGALE, PLEASE CONTACT SHERRY MCKLEIN AT: sherrymcklein@aol.com.....Thanks...Joe Mattison

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross, Jimmy, Cookie, and Doug and others: To resolve the SGM situation once and for all, I suggest that Ross contact June Wood, and give her all the names, and let her sort it out. Whatever she says is fine with me. She would have a much better memory on this subject then any one of us. She was the 2nd Ranger Co Secretary and the LTCs secretary. She would have prepared correspondence or did reports for all of them daily, and as a result would remember all of them, and given a few minutes with all of the names, would sort out the proper sequence and appx years much more accurately then any of us would. I'm trying to think above the belt on this one, because once Ross publishes his book, thats it...it will forever be that way. Miller could be very caustic sometimes. Completely cynical to the point of belittlement, but I only remember him doing it when something was so incredibly stupid, and it needed to be stopped. I liked Miller as the SGM. I don't remember problems during his time, and we were doing both the Mountains and the Desert. His "candor" and honesty was one of the reasons why we did so well with both of the operations going on simultaneously. Back to the SGM business...June Wood is the expert on this one, and I think that whatever she says....is how it was. Thats my vote. Thanks Joe

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	ROSS-- Alright I'll explain, when I was an R.I. in Florida, SGM MILLER (BILL) was also there, one of his favorite phrase(s)was "I DO NOT WANT TO RAIN ON YOUR PARADE BUT" and after the but --he would tell you where you made your mistake or how you @#*@ up something. Well after awhile during either the Camp Staff meeting or whatever meeting was going on at the time, the 1SG's would have a pool going on as to how long it would take some young Officer to say something @#&%@@ and SGM MILLER would let it ring out and slam them with --"I do not want to rain on your parade but......", we would be rolling, --the winning time was usually around 23 min's. He would make it sound so derogatory, -- when he did it. Sometimes the 1SG's were biting their tongues trying not to laugh when we heard it, -- he was so good at it...... We actually started looking forward to the meetings just for the slam dunk's..... I'm sure all of us have our little quirks... but I liked his the best.....JIM

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	Joe - are you sure it wasn't Miller and Hall who swapped positions, with Hall going to Florida? Doesn't seem like Hall was around very long. And I'm having trouble picturing Fletcher...though I do remember Monroe. I don't have any Cealis to help me, but then again....I think with the brain that's above neckline, not below waistline. ;-)

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Jimmy: It don't rain in Dahlonega unless you're in the woods at night on parade. I met SMG Colin Hall at CFM a couple of three years ago at the NCO Club, probably an Open House or cookout. Joe, he actually does exist.

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I'm beginning to second guess myself....was it SGM Hall who preceeded Moose Monroe 78-80 or was it SGM Richardson??? I've taken my medications, had a Corona Light with Lime, and now...I'm beginning to do the name thing....help me out Jimmy...who the heck was it that preceeded Moose Monroe? This is important...it's for the "book" and it will be forever...once published. Come on Cookie...who preceeded Moose Monroe?....someone call June Wood and get this figured out once and for all!! She'll know! Joe

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross: Thanks for what your doing. You can mark me down right now for 4 copies of your new book about all of us! I got my order in early so don't tell me that you didn't have enough. I'll take Doug and Jimmy's copies...if need be. Lastly, I will be doing a "Call out" very soon for all "plank holders" of 1/75. A "plank holder" is one who was with 1/75 and did the "Death March" in December of 1974. Anoyone who served with 1/75 on or before that date and did the "death march" are considered "plank holders" by MG Leur. He is attempting to do a reunion in early 2009 with "plank holders" which will be our 35th anniversary. More to follow, and I will let you know who the POC is and how to get in touch. If you know anyone who was an original of 1/75, PLEASE get the word out that a "plank-holders" call out will be coming out on all Ranger "nets" within a few days. thanks....Joe

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Everyone's got me guessing now...Hall? Was I at the Camp when he was there? I ssem to remember that name, but I can't remember when, where or why...time for some Cealis!

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	OWENS-- PHRASE FOR THE DAY "I DO NOT WANT TO RAIN ON YOUR PARADE BUT....." ?? DOES THAT PHRASE RING ANY BELLS OUT THERE ?? YA'LL HAVE A GREAT DAY, YA HEAR.... JIM

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Well, darn. If you can't believe the Army, who can you believe? No, seriously, in my research I've found the Army is often the last one to believe. Richardson will go on my list. But, this is the reason we do this back and forth banter, isn't it? Even though you can't remember the years for Open House, look at all the stuff you dredged up just talking about it. The idea is to get it right, as much as possible. I thank all of you for your great memories.

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	I also remember the "two-timin" Bill Miller - just when we though we were rid of him, he was back again! But seriously, I liked Miller - used to make me laugh watching him walk around slapping that stick in his hands - did he use that to scare the studs....or the RIs? :) There was something about SGM Hall's car too - does anyone remember that? Seems like it caught fire or something - I remember him telling the story that it burnt up on re-entry. LOL

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	Colin Hall - I remember him being there, but don't recall what years.

Posted:	8/5/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Ross: "SGM Hall"?

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Jimmy, no need to say anymore. When you matched up the CMH with the name, I put it all together. I never met him, and I never heard anything but great things about him!! Glad to have had him in our Army when he served! Joe

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross: The SGM/CSM Assignments business can get a little funny at times, but one thing E-9s all know, is they won't make E-10. Some have aspirations of being a Brigade CSM, Divison CSM, Corps CSM etc,...and that's how the "system" trains CSMs to think. It's the natural "food chain effect"...but some CSMs are "rogues". I was one of them. I never wanted to serve above Battalion level. I came out of three Battalions of TOE CSM assignments, and back to Camp Merrill. I really wanted to come back to my "Army Home" being Camp Merrill, after those Infantry Battalions that I had. The pleasure of being the CSM of 5th RTBn, Camp Merrill meant more to me then the pursuit of "upward mobility". It was a pleasure for me to return to CFM and serve with the NCOs and Officers who were there at that time, and I owe Sam Spears (CSM Retired)and many others (CSMs and Senior Officers) a lot for "pulling the strings" hard enough to get me there, while others were pulling in the opposite direction, and with other "plans" about my future. I finished my 3rd tour of duty at Camp Merrill as it's CSM, retiring in 1998. I'll be forever grateful to those who made that happen, and to those that I served with while there. I think that we accomplished quite a lot, and did a great many things, and all of it due to the great Cadre of the time.

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE-- Capt/ Major Howard was a Special Forces E-7 in Vietnam who recieved the Medal of Honor, I do not know if he was RANGER qualified first, or after the Q-course. I do not recall any blindness, if their was he fooled me. His full name was Robert Howard, I could look on some of my EER's to see what his middle initial is if you need it. JIM

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Back to Ross: SGM Richardson would have been there with LTC Hawkins. Maybe some overlap a little which is common, but definatly with LTC Hawkins in late 79. Thanks...Joe

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	ROSS-- JOE IS RIGHT, SGM RICHARDSON WAS THE SGM OF MRC. I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST OF ABOUT 10 R.I.'S THAT CAN ATTEST TO THAT FACT.....DO TO A HEATED DISCUSSION SGM RICHARDSON INITIATED IN THE CLASSROOM, WHICH AT THE TIME WAS NEXT TO THE HEADSHED, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO GET UGLY THAT DAY. I ACTUALLY CHALLENGED HIM ON THE WAY HE WAS OPERATING THE STAFF DUTY ROSTER THAT DAY... JIM

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Jimmy: Cpt/Major Howard...was he the one who was also part blind? I seem to remember stories of an SF/Ranger Officer who served at the Camp who was harder then "wood pecker lips" and everyone loved the guy, except he was blinder then a bat? Is this the same guy, who later went to the SF Q Course as an Insrtuctor/Officer at Ft Bragg?

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross: I just woke up and my fingers ain't working right yet, so I'll try again...SGM Richardson was a SGM/E-9 in rank and paygrade. He was there as the Camp SGM when I signed in for duty as Cadre in Sept 79. He left shortly after I arrived (about a year or so) and that would me that he was there at least by 78. So, sometime in 78, SGM Richardson was the SGM of Camp Merrill and was so until around 1980. All of this is accurate give or take about 6 months or so. The roster that you received from RTB is inaccurate and that would explain why I've heard before about others never hearing of SGM Richardson. As Doug Perry wrote earlier, I believe the story he mentioned is accurate. I seem to remember something about him going to NGC/ROTC after Camp Merrill, but I can't absolutely confirm that, however...NGC may have a record of him and when he arrived, and possibly where he arrived from which would be CFM. I promise Ross, your list given to you by RTB is not accurate with regards to Richardson. As far as anyone before him beginning of Quirck, I have to defer that to the ones who were there before me such as Doug Perry.

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Ross: The list that you have from RTB is missing one name in sequence and it is SGM Richardson who served between Quirck and Monroe. No kidding. There is an error, and I promise....Richardson was the SGM (Sergeant Major, E-9) or CFM. He was before Monroe. I didn't have the pleasure of being there with Quirck. Quirck was before my time, but it was Richardson who was the SGM and was an SGM when I reported in for duty. When Monroe went to be the Camp CSM and Sally left as the Secretary, June Wood became the LTCs secretary. If Sally is unavailable to confirm this, then check it out with June Wood. Sorry Ross, the roster is missing a name. I promise. Joe

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	BILL BREEN--- Yes this is the same Capt Howard you are referring to--, He was the Company Commander of A Co 2Bn 75th INF, he left there going to MRC, he was selected and promoted to Major at MRC, he later retired as an 0-6. I worked for him many ears, this man was as hard as wood pecker lips, he always put the mission first, but was the first to qustion authority when it came to his men needing anything or their safety. I would have followed this RANGER to hell and back if he said we had a mission there. Capt Howard only expected one thing from his men --- "Do your best always". jim

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Joe, your list is a little different than mine. I got my info from RTB, and they only list one SMG before '74, and that was back in '54. From '74, with LTC Guillory, I've got SMG Hoyt Wilson, Jones, McBroom, Quirk, Monroe, Fletcher, Hall, Miller. Then it changes '90-'92 between LTC Brownfield and Donovan, to CSM. Palacios was the first, the Edmunds, Palacios again, some guy named Joe Mattison, Nelson, Barron twice, Costen, Legg and the new guy, whose name I can't spell. And your list says ...?

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	Owens, Was Major Howard a guy that looked like he set a claymore up backwards? If so, He was a Captain when I was there. The Only RI I ever knew that actually showed he had heart. to us students anyway. The rest of you RI's dont take that wrong, it was pretty rough going in 2-77 damn cold. Admin wouldnt allow a fire, I recall Captain Howard making a few remarks about that. Ha The Good Old Days.

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Go ahead and tell me I have a bad memory, but I'll tell you what, I didn't lose a SGM or CSM somewhere. I know how to maintain the "headcount". I attribute it all to my new memory enhancing medication called "Cealis". Jan keeps herself locked in the bathroom and our dog runs out to the garage, but It sure does help the memory!! Yeah boy...never felt stronger....now, where the heck is Jan at.....

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	An interesting "foot note" about two of the SGMs. SGM Fletcher was at CFM and SGM Miller was in Fla. After "one year" on station in each, the "swapped" and Fletcher went to Fla, and Miller came to CFM. They each needed to complete 1 year on station in order to have the Army pay for moving the household goods.

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I should have said 1978-1986 (or so) for SGMs// and beyond that (when the place became a "Command Billet" Battalion, they were CSMs). Hope this helps. Take care...Joe

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	From 1978 to 1984 the Camp SGMs were: 1. SGM Richardson 2. SGM Monroe 3. SGM Fletcher 4. SGM Miller Afterwards, they were CSMs and they were: 1. CSM Palacios 2. CSM Edmunds 3. CSM Palacios Hope this helps with the rosters. Take care...Joe

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	My list of CSM, CFM does not show a Richardson.

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Jimmy: Oh yes, I remeber Beauchamp and Roberts very well. They were both leaving CFM as I was reporting in for duty. Roberts to PCT in Germany (Badholz) and I don't remember where Beauchamp was going. Roberts came back to CFM and became my Mountaineering NCOIC around 83 or so. Great man!! Beauchamp I believe returned, but came back retired if memory serves me correctly and he took a job at Riverside Academy. Both of them great men, and truly legends in their own time at CFM. Thanks for the memories Jimmy. Joe

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE--- ALL THIS JUST FLOODED ME WITH MEMORIES... THIS WAS ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE COMPANY COMMANDER WAS CAPT LYNCH, RUMOR HAD IT ---THAT ONE DAY WHILE THE BENNING DENTIST WERE VISITING THE CAMP TO DO WORK ON ALL THE R.I.'S, ... THAT CAPT LYNCH HAD THE DENTIST CLEAN HIS "DOG'S" TEETH. --YEAP THE DOG'STEETH... WELL THAT RUMOR SPREAD LIKE WILD FIRE, SUDDENLY NO ONE WAS SHOWING UP TO HAVE THEIR TEETH CLEANED, APT'S WENT FROM 25 TO ZERO REAL QUICK AND THE DENTIST WERE PERPLEXED WITH WHAT WENT WRONG.... NEVER NEW IF IT WAS TRUE OR NOT... BUT I HAD MY TEETH CLEANED DOWN TOWN AFTER THAT ONE..... JIM

Posted:	8/4/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE-- THE HOUSE YOUR TALKING ABOUT BELONGED TO SFC BEAUCHAMP (LARRY), I BELIEVE HE RENTED IT OUT TO SGM RICHARDSON FOR AWHILE, I CAN NOT REMEMBER FOR HOW LONG,... SFC BEAUCHAMP WAS AN R.I. IN THE MOUNTAINEERING AREA. HE WAS MY TEAM LEADER WHILE I WAS THERE. HE HAD QUITE A HISTORY OF HIS OWN AND WAS KNOWN BY ALMOST ALL RANGERS AND R.I.'S. HE USE TO ALLWAYS WORK THE CROWS NEST AT YONAH MOUNTAIN, AND THEY NICK NAMED HIM BUZZARD FOR THAT, I'M NOT SURE BUT MSG WHITE MAY HAVE TAGGED HIM WITH THAT NICK NAME. SFC BEAUCHAMP, SFC CHILDRES (CHINKYPIN) AND SFC ROBERTS WERE THE TEAM LEADERS, WHO WORKED FOR MSG GRIFFITH (NOT SURE IF I SPELLED HIS NAME CORRECTLY), I BELIEVE LTC BLOUNT WAS CAMP COMMANDER AT THAT TIME... I THOUGHT HE WAS AN AWSOME CAMP COMMANDER, HE RETIRED AN 0-6..... PADGETT WAS STILL AT THE MESS HALL AND SFC BARNEY NOLE WORKED AS THE CAMP TAC, SSG HUNT RELIEVED HIM AND TOOK HIS PLACE. JIM

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE-- YES, HE WAS A SGM AT MRC WHEN I WAS THERE. MSG CHESHIRE, MSG WHITE, MAJOR HOWARD, MSG MILLER (LONIE) AND I BELIEVE SGM MILLER (BILL), --- WERE ALL THERE WHEN HE WAS THE SGM OF THE CAMP. I DO NOT THINK HE WAS THERE VERY LONG AND I DO NOT REMEMBER WHY HE HAD TO LEAVE. JIM

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Doug: Jimmy Owens should remember him also I would think. Yeah, if he's not on "the list" of former SGMs/CSMs, he needs to be added. He was there. Thanks Doug for all did and do. I think it might be possible that you BDQ Rangers are possibly the "Most Ranger" of all of us Rangers. Take care...Joe

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Doug, it's true. He was the SGM of the Camp when I reported in. You know, your the second one who's said that to me about not know he was the SGM of Camp at that time. I think your rigt, I believe he was there when "we" pulled out that body from the river. The timing is about right. I didn't know he went to NGC. I wonder whatever happened to him after that? Does anyone stay in touch with him? Where did he go after NGC? I never knew of him to return to CFM so I doubt he retired and stayed in the area of Dahlonega.

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Joe. That would be Bobby Richardson, He left CFM and went to NGC about the time you retrived that body from the Chestatee river.This Richardson was a retired Msg from the BRC patrolling comm. He was a Lumbie Indian form Lumberton N.C..He was there when I went thru Ranger School in 62. Later he was in the Airborne Dept.I swear I did not know Bobby Richardson was CSM, CFM.I dont think he is on the past CSM list of the CFM. I will check and post it.RLTW.

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Yeah Doug, He was the SGM when I reported for duty at CFM in Sept 1979. He left there sometime in 1980 I think. The reason why I remember it so well, is because he was a Master Sergeant at Ft Greely, Alaska when I served there from 1977-1979. He left there before I did, and I didn't know that he had gone to CFM. You can imagine my surprise when I reported in for duty. He and his family lived in the first "Brick" house on the right as you left CFM. They rented it. I don't know why he left, but I had always assumed it was retirement. I can't remember now, it's been too long. He can be seen by anyone who has an old "combatives" manual. He was one of the demonstrators for the moves. He was serving at the Benning Ranger Division at the time it was made. He preceeded "Moose" Monroe who took over the SGMs position when he was an E-8 (1SG), and before he was selected to be an E-9 (SGM). I can still see him in "my minds eye" both as a Master Sergeant at Ft Greely and as the SGM of Camp Merrill. I would guess he was there around 1978-1980. At any rate, it must not be the same Richardson as you mentioned, and as Earl says, my condolences to his family and friends. None of us really ever leave, when were remembered I think, don't you?

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Joe. I never knew a SGM Ricrardson who was in the MRC. There used to be one at NGC. His name was Bobby Richardson.I will do some research and get back to you.RLTW>

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Doug sorry to hear about SGM Richardson. I remember him from my tour in the Airborne Dept. He was a great soldier. My prayers go out to his family.

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Doug: Is this SGM Richardson, who also served in Alaska, and for a short time, as the SGM of the Mountain Camp?

Posted:	8/3/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Rangers. Ranger Thomas Richardson of Columbus has checked out of the net and has began his journey to his final rallying point with the big Ranger in the sky He will be burried at Ft. Benning He was at BRC and also the Airborne Dept.CSM Ret. Bob Gilbert is Poc.RLTW.

Posted:	8/2/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	BDQ Rangers: I have completed the book written by Mike Martin, it was the original Black and White issue of the "Black Tigers". There are some pretty incredible stories in his book, as well as the Book he recently released concerning the USAF Academy. Again, BDQ Advisors: A truly remarkable job that you did! Thanks for what you did. Joe

Posted:	8/2/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Jimmy: I believe I was with the 25th when this happened, or possibly Vicenza. I wasn't Ranger School, that much I do know, otherwise I would have heard the true story instead of getting the word that it was a "Power Failure". At any rate, everything being said, I have to acknowledge that it happened many years ago. I think all of us remembers that the pendulum swings to totally different directions, and it rarely ever just swings to "center" where it should be at all times. "Extremes" is where we go and I'm sure thats exactly what happened after this one. Anyway, it's over, and it was a long time ago. We sometimes would get a Commander who thinks he's in Command of a TOE Battalion, and wants to train Ranger Students as though they were TOE Infantry Squads and Platoons. Making them do "Collective Training Tasks" that maximize the Command and Control aspect, but does very little for the individual and small unit training which is the mechanism used to train Infantry Platoon Leaders and Squad Leaders. Airfield seizures, being the more prevalent "mission" that the Company sized Ranger Class would have to do, and other nonsense that was really all about "me" when it came to identifying who is to be trained, and what the training task and standard is supposed to be. At any rate...I guess I have processed that story enough. I don't like it, but there it is....we killed someone through negligence and thats the end of it. I don't care how tough, or dangerous a particular training task is, if it properly organized, adequatly staffed with trained, genuine experts, and done at the "crawl/walk/run" paces, anything can be accomplished, and no-one dies.

Posted:	8/2/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE--- I totally agree with "ALL" you said..... Where was the Rappell Master looking, who should have had Radio contact with the Pilots, where was the Ground Safety Officer who also should have had a Radio,..... Sounds to me like this was an accident from the begining looking for a place to happen. We can not go back and change whats happened, but we can raise enough hell, that some one will listen and not forget this mistake ever again.......There were just to many over looked safety check valves here..........JIM

Posted:	8/1/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Mike. The story of how them Rangers were killed in the Fla Camp really disturbed me. It still does. What were they thinking?

Posted:	8/1/2008
Name:	Mike Flack
Message:	Joe, I think you spoke for a lot of people with your longer message. We have all been frustrated at one time or another. One of the best talks I ever heard was at Ft. Benning when I was a 2LT. This was even before I went to Ranger School. We were a bunch of snot nosed, arrogant young ********, constantly bitching. This Engineer LTC stood up and talked to us very quietly and I have never forgotten it. He said, you know, we all see things that are wrong from time to time and we don't like it. We think it's a bunch of shit. But as leaders, we are all shit stoppers. Each of us has the ability and power to stop some shit. And the more rank you get, the more shit you can stop. So stop griping and start doing what you can do to stop shit whenver you can. To this day, I think about that and take any opportunity I can to stop some shit. I think maybe that's what you do. I think maybe everybody who regularly reads this log does the same thing. We're all shit stoppers and I see no reason to quit. After all, like Doug Perry said at his induction ceremony, we may be getting older, but we're still dangerous.

Posted:	8/1/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	God forgive me, but I love a "Ranger" more then I do my own. Be it as it may....so be it, and to hell with anyone who wants to make Ranger Business an 8-5 job with all kinds of "who gives a shit policies" to cover that dead beat asses!! Only a real Ranger would understand what I just typed...sorry webmaster...I just blew a whole bunch of "politically correct" rules, perhaps next time...I'll be better...Love ya Rangers...always have..from the very bottom of my heart...Joe

Posted:	8/1/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	There are times when I'm totally perplexed. Completely "stupid" and "shocked" when I read or hear of something that is so far outside of reasonable...that I...lose it sometimes. To all, I apoligize for that obvious "retired now" mentality....but I have to reaffirm...that in my heart, and in my brain...the safety of what we do in the Ranger Course..starting with Benning and finishing with Florida...has to make sense. I make no personalized accusations, and I don't want to live in the past...but I do want to "suggest" to all who are in "Command" in the different phases of the overall Ranger Course...that they do a "risk assessmet" of all training within their Command as well as Command "influence", and make sure that what we are doing with regards to Ranger training is in the categories of: 1. It makes sense 2. It isn't about "me" 3. It supports the overall training plan of the Ranger Course. 4. It supports the overall objective of what we want Ranger Course Graduates to be able to accomplish in a regular Army Troop Assignment. 5. Is what we are doing..."SAFE" within reasonable parameters that puts our Ranger Course Students in a position of being able to complete the task to be trained, at the performance expected, and compared to the physical and mental ability that the student is at given the lack of food and sleep which is a significant factor within each phase of training and has residual/carry over from one phase to the next, within the entire spectrum of the Ranger Course being 64 days in training. If I have hurt your heads, I'm sorry. Joe

Posted:	7/31/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	ROSS-- I think the smoke has finally cleared, the Helicopter stories have made their last auto rotation and LZ is clear, all the way to the end of the runway. The All Clear has been given and you are cleared to approach the airfield again. "Fair winds and Flowings sea's RANGER"..... JIM

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks for clarifying the Fla Rappelling story Al. That's even worse yet. I can attribute a lot to a power failure, but to know that Ranger reached the end of the rope then slid through and kept on falling until impact and death is incredible. Where was the rappell masters "eye's" on that one? Where was the safety knot on the end of the ropes? Thats a classic underscore about Cadre vigilance and dedication to Ranger Student safety that we in the Mountain Camp have stressed for over 50 years. That truly is an unforgiveable incident.

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	There it is Ross, the story of the Cobra, except it didn't burn. Quite an amazing one isn't it? Here's a perfect exampl of how some of our Camp stories get twisted over time. Glad that it finally came out from an eye witness! Thanks Earl. Joe

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Sorry about the misspelling there not guts, guys. Anyone remember the little Cessna that landed on Mosby in 87 or 88 bacause he thougnt it was Wimpy ? We were at the pool by the club and heard a plane flying low, heck it came in, did a perfect landing and the dude came up and said " Hey, didn't know there was a Bar at Wimpy " You just had to be there to see the look on his mug to tell him he just landed at the U.S. Army Ranger Camp. He had a few brews slept by his plane and took off the next morning as some of us gave him a thumbs up. Bet he'll never forget that.

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	All, One of the survivors of the crash at Akin was Shaun Patterson, when I was the API or the 64 FTX, he assisted on several occasions as he was the S-3 NCO. He told several of us about the crash but would never go into details. Joe, I graduated Class 8-80 and at Rudder we did the " elevators " with skids and red or orange doors, the rappeling deaths occured because the altimeter in the Huey indicated the bird was lower that it actually was and the guts just came to the end of the ropes and fell to their deaths. I do recall leaving Mosby in the Fog as Joe says and goin' straight up till it cleared, then going balls to the walls to Cavender. Sometimes during RI changeover the fog was still there and you'd look out and wonder where is this guy landing? The rotor wash would blow the fog away to reviel a LZ the size of deer feed and set down, only to dissapear straight up back into the fog. Always got my hair standing up. Wow !

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	owens
Message:	EARLE--- JUST WANTED TO SAY " I'M GLAD YOU CAN STILL STRETCH A YARN OR TWO--KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK " AND REMEMBER-- CLASS 01-76 / "FUN IN THE SUN WITH RANGER ONE" YEP.. YOU GUESSED IT I'M ONE OF YOUR LITTLE ANGEL'S FROM THAT CLASS ---- JIM

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	EARLE--- YOU MEAN SOME ONE IN GEORGIA'S BEEN USING MY MATERIAL?? HOOK'EM AND GET'EM OFF THAT STAGE-- THAT'S JUST WRONG....... JIM

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	EARLE, ROSS--- DAMN, I JUST KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE BAD, REAL BAD, WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THOSE TWO COBRA'S THAT ATE EACH OTHER....DAMN. I SHOULDA KNOWN BETTER.... I GUESS SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR, DAMN..... I STILL CAN'T GET OVER THEY ATE EACH OTHER! DAMN.............. JIM

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Earl That's a great idea. I was going to write one called "Give me all your money and a bucket of extra crispy", which is an actual demand of an armed robber at the KFC here in Dahlonega. Steve

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Hey Owens, you just gave me an idea when Ross finishes his book maybe we can get him to do one on Police stories. There are a lot of old Rangers who worked as Police Officers. I had fifteen plus years,Doug several years. Ramsey is still a Cop and the list goes on. I'm sure ther are a lot of good stories out there that have never been told. By the way your story has been around a while.

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Ross I remember the incident but not the date. My guess is mid seventies. both Cobras were trying to refuel and got to close to each other. It knocked the rotor blades off one of the Cobras the pilot bailed and left the engine running. The other pilot shut his down before he bailed. The engine on the Cobra with no rotor was turning max rpm+ and was setting next to the tanker with several thousand gallons of fuel. People started to evacuate the camp, me included. Luckliy it did not blow. If it had I'm sure it would have taken out a good portion of the camp. I think one of the pilots had some minor injuries, other than that everything was ok after the Cobra ran out of fuel.

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	STEVE-- YOU GOTTA HEAR THIS ONE-- I WAS SITTING IN MY PATROL UNIT WATCHING A STOP SIGN, WHEN SUDDENLY A VEHICLE APPROACHED THE SIGN AND INTERSECTION. THE AUTO LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO STOP, BUT IT ONLY SLOWED DOWN TO ABOUT MAYBE 5 TO 8 MPH AND RIGHT ON THROUGH THE SIGN AND INTERSECTION IT WENT. OF COURSE I DID THE USUAL TRAFFIC STOP, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY THING USUAL ABOUT IT. ** AS SOON AS I APPROACHED THE DRIVERS SIDE DOOR THIS LADY'S VOICE WAS AT LEVEL 10--, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT 100 MPH, I COULD NOT PICK UP ON MOST OF WHAT SHE WAS SAYING, BUT THE JEST OF IT I'M SURE WAS WHY THE HELL DID YOU STOP ME-- DON'T YOU HAVE ANTHING ELSE TO DO--. WHELL I LET HER VENT FOR A MINUTE OR SO, -- SO SHE WOULD CALM DOWN, I FINALLY WAS ABLE TO GET A WORD OR SO IN -- I JUST ASKED HER, MAM- DID YOU SEE THAT STOP, THAT YOU JUST DROVE THROUGH LIKE IT WAS'NT EVEN THERE? SHE STARTED AGAIN, THIS TIME I ENDED THAT, AND I SAID --LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, IF I WERE TO PULL OUT MY BATON AND START BEATING YOU WITH IT WOULD YOU WANT ME TO STOP!! OR JUST SLOW DOWN??? SHE FINALLY LOOKED AT ME AND SAID I GET YOUR POINT. LONG STORY SHORT, I JUST GAVE HER A VERBAL AND LET HER GO.... I KNOW I'M OFFICER FRIENDLY, BUT I'LL REMEMBER THAT ONE FOR AWHILE. JUST ANOTHER DAY IN PARADISE..... JIM

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	ROSS-- JUST ONE QUESTION ? --WERE THEY OURS OR THEIRS ? -JIM

Posted:	7/30/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	I've got a story about two Cobras that "ate each other up" on the airfield, crashing right in front of the bleachers. Anyone care to weigh in on that one?

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Jimmie Of course it happened before I arrived on scene but I do remember several guys talking about Tracey Bradford jumping from another bird to the ground. Joe, you were talking about safety of the Blackhawks. Every year I get aircraft support from GANG to do orientation flights for my cadets. Don't think I would do it if it were hueys. I've had a couple bad flights before About loaded my fatigues if you know what I mean and I'm sure the High School cadets would freak if the same happened to them. Can't imagine how the parents or school officals would react. Steve

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	lastly then I'll leave the net for awhile...got some "Vets" to attend to in a little while....I can never forget the very early morning Helo rides out to Cavender CP for RI Change-over. Often times we would load up on what ever it was..."slicks" in my earlier years at Camp and "Hawks" later...but often we would load up while completely covered in fog. The Pilots would do the pre-flight start up checks, warm the bird and we would snuggle in and get ready for a few more minutes of "snooze" time while we were flown out to Cavender for the PI brief. The pilot would literally climb to altitude in almost a verticle climb to get up and out of the fog bank that we were in at Camp Merrill. Once he busted up and throught the fog cover, he's turn that aircraft north, and take us to Cavender....many times I remeber seeing nothing but mountain tops sticking up out of the thick fog and they were the only things that you could see with the rays of the rising sun. By the time we got to Cavender, the sun and burnt off all the fog and landing at the CP at Cavender wasn't a big deal due to much improved visibility. It sure was a pretty site to see. One I'll never forget.

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	With all of this doom and gloom regards helicopter accidents I also want to add one concerning the Fla Ranger Camp. They had always used Student Pilots from Ft Rucker....remember the orange painted doors?....anyway, a number of years ago, with a load of Ranger students doing Helicopter Rappells at the Fla Camp as a part of routine training...there was a power failure and Students were on the rope. Some died on that incident....I don't remember when it was, or how many were killed, but I can vision it happening. The Helicopter Rappell Training was conducted right off the edge of the runway, next to Camp Rudder. It was nothing more then "elevators" meaning that a load would go up, rappell down, and another load would go up etc, etc...and this usually involved several helicopters doing several lifts getting the entire class up and rappelled down ropes in a reasonably short period of time. Because they were Student Pilots, it was decided not to use Rucker Aviation anymore and Ft Benning DPTS took over the Florida helicopter missions as well as possible. I don't know if it ever changed back to using Rucker Student Pilots or if their still using Ft Benning DPTS Aviation, or whether they're using any aviation at all? It's been a long time since that incident and I think it was back in the 90s somtime when it happened. I'm sure a lot has changed since then. I sure do love those Black Hawks, Room, Power to spare, and most importantly, very survivable in crashes compared to the "slicks". The "slicks" will always hold a special place in my heart, but I've been to combat in Hawks, and believe me, I felt a whole lot more secure and safe with TF-160th "Night Stalkers" and their "Hawks" then I ever felt in a "slick", in peacetime.

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	STEVE-- I THINK THE ONE YOU MENTIONED IS THE ONE I REMEMBER, IN JUL 1980, I REMEMBER THEY WERE ALL MEDIVACED, I PROBABLY HAD THE LOCATION WRONG, I DO REMEMBER SGM MONROE BEING THERE. ?? DO YOU HAPPEN TO REMEMBER ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT AN R.I. JUMPING OUT OF THE AIRCRAFT TO THE CRASH SITE, TO ASSIST WITH INJURIES ??? I SURE WISH I COULD REMEMBER IS NAME, AS I REMEMBER THINKING TO MYSELF, WOULD I HAVE JUMPED FROM TREE TOP LEVEL OR NOT, TO THE SIDE OF A MOUTAIN FREE FALL, WITH JUST MY BOOTS ON, NO ROPE-- ??? I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXTRAORDINARY FOR HIM TO HAVE DONE THAT..... I WISH NOW I WOULD HAVE CONGRATULATED HIM AND SAID THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DID TO HELP... JIM

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	All Joe is right about the UH-1H that crashed the same day I reported to camp. That would be JUly time frame 1980. I had just reported in and was told to go to supply and draw LBE and ruck with poncho and head to the crash site by ground vehicle. When I arrived with a crew of 4 Charlie Rangers, all of the victims had been removed and airlifted out. Thank goodness it was JUly becasue we could not have a fire at night because of the aviation fuel in the area. I stayed for the next two days and then was relieved. Went back to Camp and SGM Monroe asked me who the hell I was and where had I been. Steve

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Jimmy and Brian: Brian First; I too have the same problem. It's usually after someone says something that the memory of it comes back. When it does come back, it usually comes back pretty clear. Again, thanks for the details of that crash. Jimmy: I don't recall that particular crash. I reported to Camp as Cadre in Sept 1979, so it may have happened before I got there, but because nobody was killed as you say, perhaps it quickly fell off everyone's mind and wasn't talked about. Four other aviation accidents at Camp that I'm aware of and I don't recall the years....One involved a UHIH that had just lifted off from Cavender CP and was heading towards the Frying Pan Gap ridgeline when it suddenly lost power and crashed in the trees just about where the Deer Check Station is in the Cavenders Creek area...(or was). The Deer Check station was a small log cabin, and the Helicopter crashed not too far from there. Steve seems to remember more of that on then I do, because he was freshly arrived to Camp and was detailed to go there and secure the site while Ranger Training continued. We lost a couple of soldiers on that one...being seriously injured, and one was an OPFOR I believe and the other worked in supply or commo of 2nd Ranger Co. He was the most seriously hurt and became crippled for life. The others are...I always heard of a Cobra that was refueling, starting or shutting down on Camp Merrill Airfield when it caught fire and exploded. The crew was able to escape, but that was long before I got there and I would estimate it to be 72-76 or so when it happened as I heard the story. The other was an OH58 that was at Camp doing Mountaineering Navigation Training and the thought is that both crew members became focused on the map sheet instead of one of them driving and they crashed into the mountain side below Hawk Mountain near Rock Creek Lake. The last one of course is the one that Doug and others mentioned about a couple of years ago where a Cobra crashed killing both crew members. Those are the ones I recall, or heard about in addition to the crash on Akin Mountain mentioned earlier by Brian. Anyone else know of the crashes/fires?

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE-- I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER HELICOPER (UH1-N, TWO ENGINE MODEL SLICK)THAT CRASHED JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TVD. I AM THINKING IT WAS 1979 OR 1980 TIME FRAME, I THINK IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, TWO SLICKS TOOK OF FROM MOSBY TOGETHER, THEY BOTH CROSSED THE TVD AND JUST PAST THE TVD ONE OF THEM LOST A TRANMISSION. AS THE HUEY WAS FALLING OUT OF THE SKY THE PILOT WAS ABLE TO TURN THE NOSE OF THE AIRCRAFT UP HILL SO WHEN IT CRASHED THE FUEL WOULD FLOW DOWN HILL. THE FIRST BIRD OBSERVED THE HUEY DROP, FALL INTO THE TREE TOPS, WENT OVER TO THE TREE TOPS TO SEE HOW BAD IT WAS, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IT WAS ABLE TO GET LOW ENOUGH FOR AN R.I. TO JUMP FROM THE AIRCRAFT TO THE CRASH SITE TO SEE IF EVERY BODY WAS OK. I THINK IT WAS SSG BRADFORD OR ANOTHER RI FROM PATROLLING THAT ACTUALLY JUMPED TO THE GROUND, I'M JUST NOT SURE OF HIS NAME RIGHT NOW, IF I REMEMBER IN THAT ONE ALL LIVED-- DO YOU REMEMBER THIS ONE OR AM I JUST --- DISCOMBOBULATED WITH ANOTHER PLACE. JIM

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Brian Cunningham
Message:	Ross: The memory was triggered because of something I saw in one of Joe's messages. I haven't thought about it in years. When I was writing about it this morning I surprized myself by how much I could recall. Trigger a memory and it all comes flooding back. Everyone involved in the recovery got really bummed-out that day. A funk came over the camp that made it difficult for all involved to get through it and get on with our training mission.

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	As I mentioned in an e-mail to Ross earlier, we of the Mountain Ranger Camp have a fantastic Safety Record with Ranger Students. It's always been amazing to me with regards to how few Ranger Students are seriously injured and to the best of my knowledge, only one killed in the entire 56 year history of Ranger Training in the Mountains of North Georgia. On the other hand, we sure have lost quite a few Cadre and Support soldiers over the years, and most of it is due to aviation accidents of one type of another. I attribute the fantastic Safety Record regarding Ranger Students to the ever vigilant and proactive Cadre that is charged with their safety, as well as providing the toughest training in all of Ranger School, and in the most bizzare of conditions and weather. We have a lot to be proud of, when you actually consider how many Ranger students have become seriously injured or killed while undergoing training at Camp Merrill. We should all be proud of that track record, and let us hope that the record remains as it is, for many years to come. Thanks...Joe

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Brian, how did we miss that little gem during our interview? You mean you didn't tell me every single thing that ever happened to you?

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Brian: Very well done. I hope that Ross has captured this comment for his book. The details of this incident have always been a "fog" to us who later served at the Camp, and probably some of the details changed over time. I know that the mountain top was Akin Mountain, because it recovered a very small piece of wreckage when I "free legged" back in 1979. That was the first time I ever heard the story. Thanks for the details. I hope that this one is captured in Ross's book, for it's accuracy and posterity. Joe

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Brian Cunningham
Message:	Joe: The helicopter crash occurred in 1976. I was the CO of 2nd Ranger Company at the time and Don Rhodes was 1SG. LTC Ray Scheutze was Camp Commander and Carl Jones was the SGM. The deaths were all support troops from Ft Benning. The two survivors were EM named Helwig and Patterson. The bird left Mosby under marginal weather conditions to carry the support troops to the vicinity of LZ Shope. In that location they were most likely supporting RM2R33. I am pretty sure it was a Saturday. The weather was closing very fast and the pilot indicated he would have to go to instruments even as they were landing at Shope. As they took off from Shope, their plan was to fly due north and slip through one of the gaps on Duncan Ridge (I don't recall if it was Shope Gap or Fish Gap, or another one, altogether), then gain altitude to get safely back to Mosby. It appears they were just a shy of enough altitude to get through the gap, though. The skids caught tree tops and pitched the bird over. My guess is the pilot simply could not recover fast enough and the bird crashed. It was getting late in the day and there was no contact from the bird. Word went out for cadre to report in and assist with the search that began at first light on Sunday. By mid-morning the search bird I was in detected a reflection off the wind screen and as we hovered lower, we could see the crash sight. Our pilot radioed the location and the RIs on the ground in that vicinity began making their way to the sight. Doug Perry was one of the first there and could probably shed light on what the crash sight itself looked like. One survivor was found at the crash sight but the rescue/recovery party soon realized someone was missing. They searched the vicinty but could not immediately find the other survivor. I'm not sure which survivor was still at the sight and who was missing at the time. In any case, the other survivor was found quite a while later; apparently he had been attempting to crawl toward a road. The dead were recovered and brought back to Mosby for ID. The Medical Officer from Ft Benning and other accident investigation PAX arrived later that day to transport the bodies back to Ft Benning. I recall that COL Jim Bowers (the Department Director at the time) was at the camp that weekend and assumed overall control of the operation. 1SG Don Rhodes, SSG Steve Regan, and I attended the memorial service at Ft Benning.

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I checked out the new member list. I also noted that Kirkover just joined. Welcome Ranger Kirkover.

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Steve: I don't know your SAI. Never heard of him. I guess he didn't stay in the Ranger Community after 1/75. Perhaps he did SF, or something else afterwards. Well, it's nice to know that Tony is still alive and kicking. Take care...Joe

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Joe and Jimmie First, Joe , the SAI is COL (R) Harvey A Teston (Butch) After first Bn he went around the world and ended up as PMS at North Georgia College. He retired and started this program four years ago. Joe and Jimmie Tony Delp just resurfaced. Check out the new members page and you can see he just signed up. I sent him and e-mail the other day but have not got a respponse yet. Steve

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE-- THANKS FOR THE INFO: I KNEW YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND YOU'D BE A STRAIGHT SHOOTER..... BUT I JUST GOTTA ADD ONE MORE FOOT NOTE ABOUT DELP...... SOME SAY HE DID NOT JUST LOOSE A JEEP THAT NIGHT ON THAT BUMPY ROAD..... INSTEAD THAT WAS THE NIGHT "HE" INVENTED BROWN UNDERWEAR, WHICH HAS BECOME THE STANDARD FOR THE US ARMY OF TODAY.....JUST THE FACTS..... JIM

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	By the way Jimmy, I would put incident around 1981.

Posted:	7/29/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Jimmy, "Sharpie" was really named Delp. I was walking Patrol that night, and I didn't get to actually see the fire, but we did RI Changeover and it was the "gossip" of the morning. Every RI who was taken out from Cavender CP or was returned to Cavender CP was driven by the location of the fire that totally gutted a brand spanken new Army CJ. The fire must have been incredible, because the gravel road was completely blackened for a very large area around center mass and believe it or not, large "chunks" of unknown substance were affixed to the gravel. I got to see the burnt out Jeep after I got back to Camp. It was in the motorpool, and as you can imagine, it was totally burnt, and completely gutted out. Not a single thing was salvagable. Tony Delp was a "sharpie" all right....and I never did get the word about what he had to pay for the damage on that. If you remember, there was a monetary limit in those days and it was something like "not to exceed the equivilency of 3 months pay" (Commanders Discretion Clause not included) and I'm sure that it went something like that, along those lines. Delp left Camp Merrill not too much longer after that. I don't know where he went or whatever happened to him. He just fell off my screen completely, and that's allright by me. He was part of a small "clique" that I didn't fit into.

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	HEY JOE -- JUST WANT TO JOG YOUR MEMORY AND SEE IF IT'S SAFE YET, TO TALK ABOUT THIS ??? I THINK YOU MAY HAVE BEEN AT MRC WHEN THIS HAPPENED I THINK IT WAS 1978 OR MAYBE 1979 ?? -- THERE WAS THIS R.I., WE'LL CALL HIM SHARPIE, JUST FOR NAMES SAKE, SHARPIE WAS ALLWAYS DRIVING HIS OLD STICK SHIFT CJ-5 JEEP THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS ON RM1R33N, AT QUITE THE FAST SPEED IF I REMEMBER CORRCTLY, SHARPIE WAS ALLWAYS LOOKING FOR THOSE RANGER STUDENTS TO CONDUCT A CHANCE CONTACT WITH THEM, OF COURSE TO KEEP THE STRESS ON THEM AND TO KEEP THEM MOVING TOWARDS THE OBJECTIVE. SHARPIE WAS ALLWAYS TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE BEST IDEAS TO GAIN MAXIMUN SHOCK EFFECT AND FIRE POWER DURING THE CHANCE CONTACTS, TO KEEP IT EXCITING FOR THE STUDENTS. ONE DAY SHARPIE DECIDED HE HAD TO BE FASTER AT FIRING HIS STAR CLUSTERS AND ARTY SIMULATORS TO GET BETTER SOUND EFFECTS AND VISUAL EFFECTS. SHARPIE QICKLY SURMISED THAT IF HE OPENED SEVERAL CASE'S OF STAR CLUSTERS AND A COUPLE CASE'S OF ARTY SIMULATORS HE COULD GAIN FIRE SUPERIORITY FASTER. WELL SHARPIE LOADED UP THE JEEP TO THE HILT, CHECKED HIS FACE CAMMIE AND MOVED OUT FOR WAR. SHARPIE WAS READY THIS TIME, HE TOOK ALL THE STAR CLUSTERS OUT OF THE CANISTERS AND TO SAVE EVEN MORE TIME, HE TOOK THE CAP OFF THE TOP OF THE STAR CLUSTERS AND PLACED IT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE STAR CLUSTERS. SHARPIE DECIDED HE COULD BE EVEN FASTER IF HE STACKED ALL THE CLUSTERS IN THE WOODEN AMMO BOX, SO THEY WERE READY TO GRAB AND FIRE IN A SPLIT SECOND. HE ALSO PRE LOADED A COUPLE CASE'S OF ARTY SIMULATORS NEATLY IN A BOX SO THEY COULD BE QICKLY DEPLOYED. AT LIGHTNING SPEED HE WAS DRIVING DOWN THOSE MOUNTAIN ROADS, WHEN IT HAPPENED ******** THE FIRE WAS SO INTENSE YOU COULD NOT GET WITHIN 75 FEET OF THAT JEEP, THE FIRE WAS SO BRIGHT IT LIT UP THE SKYS, THE NEXT DAY WHEN THE PICTURES WERE TAKEN THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT BUT TWO AXLES, THE FOUR METAL PARTS OF THE WHEELS AND THEY WERE DISTORTED, AND SOME METAL RADIAL BANDS LEFT AFTER THE RUBBER ON THE TIRES ALL BURNED AWAY. IT WAS SAID THAT A SHORT IN THE WIRING SYSTEM IGNITED A FLAME UNDER THE HOOD, WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY IGNITED THE RUBBER FUEL LINE THAT WAS ON THE JEEPS BACK THEN. NOT SURE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THAT NIGHT ON THAT BUMPY ROAD. * DID YOU EVER HERE WHAT THE OUT COME OF ALL THAT WAS. I'VE TRIED FOR YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE SHARPIE WENT WRONG AND IT JUST EVADES ME, I WONDER WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO HIM AFTER THAT MECHANICAL FIRE ACCIDENT? **** JUST THE FACTS --JIM

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Steve: Whats the name of the SAI? Did he retire from the Army? I may know him.

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	STEVE -- THANKS, I CAN JUST PICTURE BILL TELLING SOMEONE ABOUT THE BEST FISHING LURES TO USE AT LAKE LANIER OR THE BEST RIFLE TO USE ON THOSE ENORMOUS NORTH GEAOGIA WHITE TAIL BUCKS. HE WILL FIT RIGHT IN AT A SPORTING GOODS STORE. ** WHICH REMINDS ME OF A TRUE STORY-- I WENT DOWN TO THE JETTIES THE OTHER DAY TO SEE IF ANYONE WAS CATCHING ANY FISH. AS I PULLED MY PATROL CAR UP TO A WELL KNOWN FISHING SPOT, I SAW ANOTHER OFFICER FROM A DIFFERNET SHIFT FISHING WITH HIS WIFE. I WALKED UP TO SAY HELLO AND TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE CATCHING AND IMMEDIATELY HIS WIFE TELLS ME THAT "CHILL WILL", HIS NICK NAME OF COURSE, HAD BROUGHT HER TO A NON STOCKED FISHING SPOT AND SHE WANTED TO KNOW WHERE ALL THE FISH WERE. I LOOKED AT CHILL WILL AND HE LOOKED LIKE HE DID'NT KNOW QUITE WHAT TO SAY TO THAT-- SO I JUMPED IN, BEING ALL SHY AND RESERVE THAT I AM. I LOOKED AT HER WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND SAID, YOU MUST NOT BE USING THE RIGHT BAIT, BY NOW I WOULD HAVE CAUGHT SEVERAL HUNDRED FISH, WHEN I WAS FISHING HERE. SHE LOOKED AT ME PERPLEXED AND OF COURSE SHE HAD TO ASK "WHAT DO YOU USE FOR BAIT" (?) * WELL I COULD TELL SHE TOOK THE BAIT AND IT WAS SHOW TIME!!!! WITH A SERIOUS CONCERNED LOOK I LOOKED HER STRAIGHT IN THE EYE'S AND I TOLD HER I ALLWAYS USE REDMAN CHEWING TABACCO, SHE SAID WHAT-- I SAID REDMAN CHEWING TABACCO, THE KIND THAT COMES IN THE POUCH, YOU TAKE ONE BAG CUT IT UP REAL FINE LIKE CONFETTI. YOU TAKE SEVERAL HANDS FULL AND YOU SCATTER IT ALL ACROSS THE TOP OF THE WATER. WHEN THE TABACCO MELTS IT GETS IN THE FISHES GILLS WHEN THEY WILL COME TO THE SURFACE TO SPIT, YOU CLUB THEM. SHE LOOKED AT ME AND I COULD SEE THE EXCITEMENT IN HER EYES WHEN SHE SUDDENLY SAID WHERE DO I GET THAT CLUB I WAS TRYING MY BEST NOT TO LAUGH, MY EYES WERE BEGING TO WATER AS I TRIED TO HOLD BACK THE LAUGHTER-- "CHILL WILL" ALMOST SWOLLOWED HIS TONGUE, SO I SAID ACE HARDWARE. "CHILL WILL" LOOKED AT ME AND SAID -IF SHE MAKES HIM BY THAT CLUB, THAT'S IT WITH HER FISHING CAREER. JUST THE FACTS -- JIM

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Joe and Jimmie I guess I should add that the new guy has is @#%t in one sock. I think that the someone didn't want a JROTC program that was Ranger heavy. The SAI is an old 1st Bn guy. He was B Co. Commander in 1980 about two months after I left. Steve

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Joe and Jimmie Bill lives closer to Cleveland Georgia and he is a the manager of a Sporting good, hunting, fishing type business. He applied for a job with us at the High School JROTC. We started a seventh and eighth grade program. He was my top choice for the job, since he alot of experience in a Florida School system and JROTC. However, they hired another guy. Infantry but not Ranger. Steve

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	That is pretty incredible. I wonder how many others realize that a former Florida Ranger Camp Ranger Instructor is living in Dahlonega.

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE-- YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS, BUT BILL RAN INTO A LADY FROM DAHLONEGA WHILE SHE WAS IN FLORIDA VISITING, HER NAME ESCAPES ME FOR NOW, THEY STARTED DATING, THEY GOT MARRIED AND HE NOW LIVES IN DAHLONEGA--- I RAN INTO HIM AT THE LAST CRITTER COOK OUT -- AND HE TOLD ME THIS INCREDIBLE STORY OF HOW HE ENDED UP AT A MOUNTAIN COOK OUT FOR LIFE -- SMALL WORLD SOMETIMES -- I'M NOT SURE IF HE MONITORS OUR BLOG OR NOT-- GUESS WE ARE FIXING TO FIND OUT???

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Jimmy: When I was the TAC NCO for a Ranger Class, I linked up with Bill Wingett while we were in Fla and we went scuba diving. Where's he at now, or do you know? Joe

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE-- YES, I WAS ASSIGNED TO THE FLORIDA RANGER CAMP, JUNE 1985 THRU AUG 1990, BILL WINGETT AND I WERE AT FRC AT THE SAME TIME. IT WAS NO COMPARISON TO THE MOUNTAIN CAMP, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ATTITUDE AMONGST THOSE R.I.'S, NEVER COULD FIGURE OUT WHY THOUGH. THEY JUST DID'NT SEEM TO CLICK WITH EACH OTHER THE WAY MRC DID. I ENDED UP DOING 4 PLUS YEARS (APRILL 1977 THRU DEC OF 1981) IN THE MOUNTAINS AND 5 YEARS IN THE FLORIDA CAMP. I WAS LIKE A HOMING PIGEON TO BENNING, I'D GET OUT OF THERE FOR THREE YEARS OR SO AND THEY'D SEND ME RIGHT BACK. I TRIED TO RETURN TO THE MOUNTAIN CAMP, BUT I WAS TOLD THERE WERE TO MANY E-8'S AT MRC AND I'D BE GOING TO FRC, BUT -- IT WAS FOR THE GOOD I GUESS. IN MY 21 YEARS THERE WAS NO PLACE LIKE MRC, I KEPT CLICKING MY HEELS SAYING-- I WANT TO GO HOME.... I WANT TO GO HOME.... BUT I GUESS IT WAS'NT IN THE CARDS. WHEN I RETURNED AT THE LAST CRITTER COOKOUT, I WAS AMAZED AT HOW MUCH DAHLONEGA AND MRC HAD CHANGED, WOW IS ALL I CAN SAY. MANY OF US TALKED ABOUT MOVING BACK THERE WHEN WE RETIRED, BUT FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DID, IT MUST BE LIKE HEAVEN LIVING IN THE MOUNTAINS--- BUT MY WIFE AND I HAVE ALL OUR FAMILY TIES AND CHILDREN DOWN HERE OR I'D BE IN THE MOUNTAINS AGAIN!!!!! MAYBE ONE DAY I'LL MAKE THE JUMP-- JIM

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Jimmy Owens; Thanks for the update. Now I know what it is that you do. I just knew that you (like me) worked for the Feds but I didn't really know what it was that you did. Sounds like it can be a comination of boredom and excitment depending on the night. Another note, didn't you also do a tour with the Florida Ranger Camp? If so, when was that, and how did you like it there? Joe

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Brian and Al: Brian; We jumped DZ 76 pretty regularly from 79-84 or so. I remember the story of the farmer and his claim regarding the cows eating residual smoke from grenades. I want to say, that some kind of arrangements were made regarding that, and if I correct, it included "leasing" his land for the DZ. I could be wrong on that, but the story you tell about the cows, DZ name and location is right on target. I had forgotten about the cows and that story until you brought it back to my memory, but we did use that DZ quite a lot. Patrols would assemble then move uphill to Frying Pan Gap, or the "other one" that I can't remember the name of. They (for us) were always Platoon sized patrols (Raids). The other "gap" that I can't remember the name of was next to Akin Mountain where there was a UH1H crash with OPFOR soldiers (killing all but one or two including the crew) back in 77 or 78. Thanks for the memory...yep..DZ 76. I have a few jumps on that one. Al; I remember the details to the story now that you mention them. Yes, that truly was a tragedy, but another reason why, "Special Operations Command" was started up and activated in 1984. That operation combined with Grenada Operations convinced Senator Sam Nunn that it's time to get all the "special operations folks" together under one centralized Command, hence...another Ranger Battalion (3rd) and Special Operations Command...all formed and in place in 1984. Thanks for what you did then, and many other things that you did the rest of the time. Joe

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	OWENS
Message:	JOE--OOOPS, SORRY, -I THINK I ONLY TOLD PHILL CAREY AND STEVE HAWK WHAT I DO DOWN HERE. I'M A GS-0083 POLICE OFFICER, LONG STORY SHORT, A CIVILIAN POLICE OFFICER FOR THE US GOVERNMENT. I'M IN A 132 MAN POLICE DEPT, WE PATROL THE ON BASE FEDERAL AND OFF BASE JURISDICTIONS FOR THE MILITARY. WE TURN OVER OUR FELONY SUSPECTS TO EITHER NCIS OR THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES FOR PROSECUTION BY THE STAES ATTORNEY. WE HAVE WATERBORNE PATROLS OF THE RIVER WAY, HARBOR BASIN PATROLS FOR THE SECURITY OF THE WARSHIPS, MANNED GUN BOATS, ATV'S, FOOT PATROLS AND ROAD PATROL OFFICERS IN OUR DEPT, VERY BUSY PLACE. WE HANDLE DUI'S, DOMESTIC'S, TRAFFIC CRASH'S, ASSAULT'S, ETC., ETC. ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES, IS JURISDICTIONAL. -- WE GET IT ALL -- MOST EXCITING JOB I'VE HAD IN A WHILE, IF YOU EVER GET THE CHANCE --GO RIDE WITH AN OFFICER, IT'S AN EYE OPENING EXPERIENCE. AN OFFICER NEVER KNOWS WHAT HE WILL DISCOVER ON JUST A TRAFFIC STOP, MUCH LESS ANYTHING ELSE. I ONCE STOPPED A MAN FOR JUST A BURNED OUT TAIL LIGHT AND AFTER RUNNING HIS DRIVER LICENSE THROUGH FCC AND NCIC, I DISCOVERD HE HAD AN OUTSTANDING WARRANT THAT WAS 11 YEARS OLD-- 11 YEARS OLD -- HE HAD BEEN ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT BEING CAUGHT ALL THAT TIME. MOST CITIZENS ONLY CONTACT WITH THE POLICE ARE THROUGH THOSE TRAFFIC STOPS, WE CATCH A LOT OF BAD GUYS JUST VIA THOSE STOPS. I WAS A ROAD PATROL OFFICER FOR 7 YEARS, GOT PROMOTED TO ROAD PATROL SERGEANT (TWO YEARS NOW) AND THATS WHERE I AM TODAY, YES -- AS YOU CAN TELL I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THIS JOB!! AND I ACTUALLY GET PAID TO DO IT-- ** WHAT A COUNTRY!!! IT DOES NOT GET ANY BETTER!!

Posted:	7/28/2008
Name:	Brian Cunningham
Message:	Ross: There was another pasture/DZ we used in the 1975-76 timeframe on US 76 west of Blairsville ("DZ 76"). We stopped using it because of the claims the owner was submitting for reimbursement for his dead cows. He indicated that the cows were eating the expended smoke grenades which he insisted we hadn't policed-up and were keeling over.

Posted:	7/27/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	On the Brawley Mtn subject, I talked to Papka and Ramsey a couple days ago. We went from 31 and 33 in late 87 maybe November or so. As with 2nd Ranger Co. to 5th RTB, I recall we / I had to go to Brawley on a Recon with Sgt Hash, he was RSE Plt Sgt. Road was over grown and almost impassable, we went by the bleachers, that was Tipton Gap, then on up to Brawley. Later I had to take a bunch of Recycles up to Brawley Mtn and the Tower to Clear a place for the GP Medium and CP. We set up at Brawley CP and fought off snakes, possums and skunks for about 6 cycles. Used Skeenah DZ, Also called Bruce, who remembers Mr. Bruce. He was at every obj and DZ to find what Ranger studs lost, on day he brought me a set of NOD's and turned them in, also found alot more equip and traded C-Rats and then MRE's for BBQ samwiches from Pearls. What about Pearl's ?

Posted:	7/27/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Joe, sorry it has been a couple days to get back. Desert Two was the Airfield southwest of Tehran. On April 24th 1980 Delta Force Staged out of Masirah Island for Opereation Eagle Claw, Desert One was the refueling/ ORP for the mission. 8 HH-53's were needed to get it done. Only 5 made it to One, A Haboob ( Sand Storm ) interupted the mission. Plan was to go in to the Compound , get the Hostages, fly them to the Stadium, then to the Airfield Secured by the Rangers. That was 1st Batt and 2nd Batt Rangers airfield security teams. On the morning of April 25th when OPSKED 200 was radioed out, the mission was over Abort, 8 men died, 5 on the 130's 3 on the HH- 53's. Charlie Beckwith was OIC

Posted:	7/27/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Ross: A lot of folks don't know that your a Registered Nurse along with your many other talents, but I remember. Thanks for the note, and the advise. I do enjoy Critical Care, but where I'm at now, it's kind of "slow" as compared to where I was at before, but most importantly, I get to fully "lock in" the days I'm there. I'm going back to weekend nights only, doing my time, and getting out of there on Monday morning, not to be called or bothered until Friday night....and do it all over again. I guess I got spoiled at Memorial Hosp in Savannah with that schedule, and this on for two nights, off for two nights and every other weekend stuff, is just not my "thaing". Again, thanks for the tips!! How's our Mountain Ranger Camp Book coming along? Joe

Posted:	7/27/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Hey Joe, going to the ER should spice up your life. When I made the change from ICU to ER it was so much faster--albeit with a lot more bodily fluids--the shift seemed to go by quickly. Protect yourself in there, bud, you know as well as I do that they're still crazy when they come in off the street. The only thing faster and more interesting was riding rescue. You get to see people at their best and worst all at the same time. Let me know how the change goes.

Posted:	7/27/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Jimmy Owens: I received your emails. I especially enjoyed to one on "Stories". Glad to know that your doing well. Didn't you say that you work as a Federal Government Employee at the Naval Station in Jacksonville? I don't think I remember the Police Officer piece of it....but hey, sounds like a great job, with great hours!! Are you liking it ok? I'm doing an internal move with the VA. I'm currently working in the Critical Care area, and on a rotating night schedule, but will be moving to the ED/ER in a couple of weeks with a locked in, non rotating schedule which is what I would rather do. It's much easier to plan a life, when you can lock in the work hours, and in Nursing, that can be a tough thing to get. Take care Ranger!! I enjoyed the McElliot story. Joe

Posted:	7/27/2008
Name:	JIMMY OWENS
Message:	-- JOE -- YES-- I ALSO WORK THE NIGHT SHIFT, I AM BACK HOME MOST NIGHTS AROUND 1200 MIDNIGHT TO 0100 IN THE MORNING. THATS WHEN I USUALLY CHECK THE WEB BLOG SITE TO SEE WHATS GOING ON. ** I HAVE 19 POLICE OFFICERS I HAVE TO CHECK ON AND MONITOR THROUGH OUT MY SHIFT. I ALSO WILL SOME TIMES HAVE TO ANSWER A CALL OR TWO --BUT NOT TO OFTEN. WELL NOW YOU SEE WHAT -WE- OFFICERS DO ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHILE RUNNING RADAR. -I WAS TRYING TO WRITE THAT STORY, RUN RADAR, KEEP ONE EYE ON MY SURROUNDINGS -SO SOME ONE WOULD NOT SNEAK UP ON ME (BAD GUY'S OF COURSE- FLORIDA IS #1 IN ALL 50 STATES FOR OFFICERS SHOT AND KILLED) DOWN HERE YOU DO NOT TURN YOUR BACK ON ANYBODY!!!!! AND EXPECT TO LIVE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE ARE IN HUNTING SEASON ????? JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW I DO WATCH AND LISTEN, SURE IS GREAT TO HEAR ALL THE OTHER STORIES FROM THE PAST-- THANKS JIM

Posted:	7/26/2008
Name:	JIMMY OWENS
Message:	TO ALL: -- FOR RANGER EYES ONLY -- I REMEMBER THE SCIENTIST FROM NADICK LABORATORIES, WHO CURRENTLY DEVELOP ALL OUR FUTURE WEAPONS FOR THE INFANTRY, WHO WERE TASKED TO COME UP WITH AN ARMORED PERSONNEL VEHICLE WHICH COULD BOUND FROM ONE FIGHTING POSITION TO ANOTHER ON THE BATTLE FIELD, BY THE PENTAGON. OF COURSE NADICK LABORATORIES, NADIC FOR SHORT, NEW THE BEST PLACE TO GATHER THEIR INFORMATION WAS FROM THE MEN OF THE MOUNTAIN RANGER CAMP, WITH WHOM THEY HAD WORKED WITH MANY TIMES BEFORE. SO THEY LOADED UP THEIR 2 ½ TON TRUCKS, LIKE ALL GOOD SCIENTIST DO AND HEADED FOR MRC, IN CONVOY OF COURSE LIKE ALL GOOD SCIENTIST DO. OF COURSE THEY MADE ALL THE USUAL STOPS ALONG THE WAY AT ALL THE WELL KNOW “RANGER EATERIES” I.E. – DAIRY QUEEN, WAFFLE HOUSE, STUCKIES CANDIES, ETC. ETC., AND AFTER SEVERAL HOURS THEY ARRIVED AT THE MRC, IN CONVOY OF COURSE, LIKE ALL GOOD SCIENTIST DO, AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED LOOKING FOR THE HEAD SCIENTIST OF THE 2ND RGR CO, WELL KNOWN SCIENTIST “RANGER SCIENTIST DEAN PAPKA,” WHO WAS CURRENTLY HARD AT WORK ON SOME OF HIS PRESENT INVENTIONS DOWN AT THE 2ND RGR CO ORDERLY ROOM NEXT TO THE COMMISSARY. AFTER A SHORT TRIP ON FOOT TO THE ORDERLY ROOM, ALL THE NADIC SCIENTIST CONFRONTED RANGER PAPKA WITH THEIR TASKING AND DILEMMA FROM THE PENTAGON IN PAPKA’S SCIENTIFIC ORDERLY ROOM, OF COURSE ALL THIS IS NOW DECLASSIFIED BUT WAS ONCE HIGHLY - - “TOP SECRET”. PAKA LISTENED INTENTLY TO THE NADIC RESEARCHERS AND IMMEDIATELY KNEW WHAT HE HAD TO DO, HE TOLD THE NADIC RESEARCHERS NOT TO WORRY, AS HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE MISSION, IT WOULD BE COMPLETED QUICKLY AND HE WOULD GET BACK TO THEM SOON. THE NADIC BOY’S LOADED UP THEIR 2 ½ TON TRUCKS, IN CONVOY OF COURSE, LIKE ALL GOOD SCIENTIST DO AND HEADED BACK TO BENNING MAKING ALL THOSE IMPORTANT STOPS AT THE “RANGER EATERIES” ALONG THE WAY, LIKE ALL GOOD SCIENTIST DO. –THEN IT HAPPENED-- RANGER PAPKA GRABBED HIS WEB BELT WITH HIS TRUSTY SHARP K-BAR KNIFE, LIKE ALL GOOD RANGERS DO AND HEADED DOWN TO THE SMALL STREAM NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHERE HE REMEMBERED SEEING AN ENORMOUS BULL FROG. PAPKA LAY IN WAIT FOR SEVERAL DAYS FOR THAT FROG, BUT HE WAS PERSISTANT AND IT PAID OFF, JUST AS PAPKA LOOKED TO HIS LEFT FRONT HE SAW IT—THE FROG—HE ATTACKED THE FROG WITH SUCH TENACITY AND VIOLENCE OF ACTIONS THE FROG HAD NO CHANCE OF ESCAPE—PAPKA HAD THE FROG IN HAND. PAPKA RETURNED TO THE ORDERLY ROOM, KEEPING THE MISSION ON HIS MIND—A FIGHTING VEHICLE WHICH COULD BOUND FROM POSITION TO POSITION ON THE BATTLE FIELD. PAPKA ONCE INSIDE THROUGH THE FROG ON HIS SCIENTIST EXAMING TABLE—LIKE ALL GOOD RANGER SCIENTIST DO, LOOKED AT THE FROG AND THOUGHT TO HIMSELF FOR A MINUTE. THEN IT HAPPENED QUICKLY, PAPKA DREW HIS K-BAR KNIFE AND IN ONE QUICK PASS CUT OFF ONE OF THE FROG’S LEGG’S. PAPKA LOOKED AT THE FROG AND IN HIS STRONG RANGER VOICE SAID “ JUMP FROG JUMP” THE FROG JUST SAT THERE FOR A MOMENT, MAYBE EVEN TWITCHED A LITTLE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BUT NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED. SHORTLY AFTER THAT PAPKA QUICKLY DREW HIS K-BAR AGAIN- IN ONE SWIFT MOTION HE CUT OFF TWO MORE OF THE FROG’S LEGG’S, LIKE ALL GOOD RANGER SCIENTIST DO, AGAIN THE FROG MOVED SLIGHTLY AT BEST AND AGAIN IN ONE OF PAPKA’S BETTER COMMAND VOICES HE ORDERED THE FROG—“ JUMP FROG JUMP “—BUT THE FROG SHOOK, STRUGGLED AT BEST, BUT NO JUMP. PAPKA LOOKED AT THE FROG STERNLY EYE TO EYE, HE COULD NOT BELIEVE THIS FROG DISOBEYED A RANGER COMMAND, ESPECIALLY FROM AN M.R.C. -- RANGER!!! --WITHOUT ANY HESITATION PAPKA DREW THAT K-BAR AGAIN, CUT OFF THAT LAST FROG LEGG, MOVED DIRECTLY TO THE FRONT OF THE FROG— LOOKING HIM STRAIGHT IN THE EYES AND IN HIS BESTEST COMMAND RANGER VOICE YELLED— “ JUMP FROG JUMP “ THE FROG TREMBLED, SHOOK, VIBRATED, YOU COULD SEE THE SWEAT ON THE FROG’S FACE, BUT NO JUMP!!! PAPKA NOW STUNNED AND BEWILDERD AT THE FROG’S ABILITY TO TOTALLY DISREGARD HIS RANGER COMMANDS, LOOKED AT THE FROG FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, OF COURSE STUDYING THE FROG, PULLED OUT HIS RANGER SCIENTIST NOTE BOOK AND PENCIL, LIKE ALL GOOD RANGERS DO AND WROTE THE RESULTS OF HIS IN-DEPTH STUDY….. * -FROG -WITH -NO -LEGG’S -IS -DEAF * WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT, NOW YOU KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW THOSE NADIC BOY’S CAME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR “RADAR ABSORBING PAINT FOR OUR ARMORED COMBAT VEHICLES OF TODAY “ * --WELL THAT’S THE WAY I REMEMBER IT, SO HELP ME ---, ** JIM

Posted:	7/26/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Earl, during the coming week I will link up.

Posted:	7/26/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	During my two tours at the Camp Brawley was used as a CP For RMR23N when we worked the west side of the AO.It was also used as an objective. The studs had to rappel down the cliff and blow up a nuck site, then go back up useing a vertical hualing line. This was a real goat rope, because of safty problems. Doug was the API most of the time and we all knew to never take chow from him... Ross are you coming back over? Sorry about the interruption last time.

Posted:	7/26/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ok Cookie. You're right. We'll keep the "boys" talk out of it. Joe

Posted:	7/26/2008
Name:	~C
Message:	Great story about Ramsey gathering up his lost strays - smart man - but the story itself has me giggling! :) And McElliot, the TINMAN, with all the layers - 'bout has me rolling in the floor! (couldn't fit in the chair - OMG, that's funny!) I'm gonna have to agree with Ross though - please no more graphical stories on the pantyhose!! I was dealing with the tons of tata messages - but I will have to turn away if there are any more pantyhose stories! I think Mattison and Perry are enough - pleeeaaassseeee leave it there before we all start talking to ourselves due to the TERRIBLE pictures in our heads! ;-)

Posted:	7/26/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Hi Jimmie: You must be on night shift like I am. Great comment, and yep...I do remember Mike bringing that patrol in using a climbing rope. That really was one heck of a cold, miserable night. Mac was the only guy I know that was able to somehow wear every piece of uniform part and accessory underneat his Jungle Fatigues. He couldn't even squeeze into the little classroom chair he was so layered up with clothes.

Posted:	7/26/2008
Name:	JIMMY OWENS
Message:	TO ALL-- I REMEMBER WALKING PATROLS WITH RGR MCELLIOT AND HE HAD SO MANY LAYERS OF CLOTHING ON WE NICK NAMED HIM THE TIN MAN, FROM THE WIZARD OF OZ--, BECAUSE WHEN HE WALKED, HE WOULD BE ALL STIFF AND ALL WALKING LIKE A TIN ROBOT. IT WAS ALMOST FUNNY, HE LOOKED LIKE HE SUDDENLY GAINED 50 LBS., WHEN HE WOULD SHOW UP FOR THE RI BRIEF AT THE PATROLLING BLDG. -- HEY MAC, YOU STILL GET THAT COLD???? I'LL BET THERE WERE ALOT OF THOSE-- I CAN'T EVEN BRING MYSELF TO SAY IT, -- YOU KNOW WHAT--, WORN BACK THEN. I REMEMBER AN ICE STORM WHICH QUICKLY ROLLED IN ON RGR RAMSEY, THE ICE WAS BUILDING SO FAST ON THE TREE LIMBS, IT WAS DROPPING DOWN ON HIS STUDENTS LEFT AND RIGHT, HIS HEAD COUNT KEPT COMMING UP WRONG, HE KEPT HAVING TO LOOK FOR AND FIND HIS STUDENTS, TILL FINALLY HE JUST PULLED OUT A 120 FOOT ROPE, TIED THEM ALL TOGETHER AND MOVED THEM DOWN THE MOUNTAIN SINGLE FILE, ONE DUCK BEHIND THE OTHER, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AS I REMEMBER IT???? THAT WAS ONE COLD NIGHT--I ALMOST FELT IT, BUT NOT QUITE-- BUT ALMOST. THATS THE WAY I'D LIKE TO REMEMBER IT-- BUT TRUTH IS, IT WAS DAMN COLD--.

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross: You would be surprised to learn what all of us wore under our outer uniform. In winter months, we all looked like the Michelen Man. I actually know of a couple of RIs who would wear plastic bread loaf bags over their socks then slide the whole thing into a winter insulated boot. Whatever worked, whatever it took to ward off the "cold" and the "wet" and wasn't visible on the outside was "A..OK"! Thats real interesting about the construction going on at Brawley/Tipton Mtn. I wonder if the USFS is reestablishing watch towers? Oh yes, I'll bet Doug wore Panty Hose. Of that, I'm sure, and I'll bet many others did also, crotchless or not, their just not admitting it. When "Gortex" came out with all of the liners, then everything else just went away, but until then, whatever it took, and whatever worked, was the standard! You'll often hear someone mention "Pre-Gortex Days"...and it's accurate in terms of describing an era. Gotta go Ross...got some "Vets" to see. Take care....Joe

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Joe, now you got me thinking about Perry in panty hose. I used to like you. About Brawley Mountain and the bleachers. There is a bunch of communications equipment, sheds, etc up there now. Just poured a slab for a six cylinder diesel generator. Word is the tower is to be rebuilt, though the first 20 feet of stairs is missing now. My son says they find shell casings all over the place.

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross: I thought I was in good company with Doug?

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	Joe, you have a list of Hall of Fame Rangers on my CD. Stafford is not on it. And, I don't want to hear any more about you wearing panty hose. That image, you know....

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Mike Flack: On certain and special occasions, I will put on a pair of panty hose...it drives my wife absolutely stupid....something about the "pocket", but I'm not really sure what she's talking about...just doggone those tatas!

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Steve, Bill, and all other original members of 1/75: We also participated in the annual "Flintlock" which was a "commando, Ranger, SAS, German Commando", and whoever else has special operations troops within NATO. It was done annually and we did it twice that I recollect. Anyway, to the POINT: There was this "goofy guy" who was an Officer of some NATO Country, but for this FTX, was on the OPFOR side, and we kept capturing him...we even gave him a nickname, but doggone if I can remember the nickname that we gave him or even what NATO country he was from. Does anyone remember who I'm writing about? He was "buzz shaved" bald....and he always seemed to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time...."Alabama wildman" maybe???? I remember it, but not enough in detail to make any sense....anyone else remember this NATO "loser" that we kept capturing?

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I'm reading a book written by Mike Martin CSM (R) entitled "Black Tigers" and Stafford is mentioned in the book in great detail. Is Ranger Stafford a member of the Ranger Hall of Fame? I see that he's on our Memorial Roster, but is he in the RHOF? Just wondering, BDQ Rangers. I'm not a BDQ guy, but if what I've read about him in both the book and this sites Memorial Posting on his behalf....well, I'd vote for him. Take care BDQ Rangers....all of you did some fine work, and I wish that your history was better known then what it is. Joe

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Rangers, I work the night shift at our local VA Hospital, and I get home around 1PM or so. It truly is a pleasure to read your comments when I get in. I wore panty hose and I'm not ashamed to admit it. It was "pre-gortex" days, and as we all know, the panty hose really didn't keep us dry, but it did provide a barrier between the wet outer fatigues (that were usually cold) and our skin. I never thought of Fredericks of Hollywood...my oh my...the different selections that I maybe could have choosed from. The beat field in Germany...how can anyone who ever jumped that one forget it. Autrail Cobb seriously hurt his back on that one and after that, he left C Co, and went to the Bn S-3 shop in order to get "light duty" and recover from it. Later, we had another jump during the same Reforger, and Bill Acebes and I couldn't get linked up with our Platoon because of "OPFOR" between us and them. We spent the rest of the FTX traveling on our own, exactly one day behind our Platoon, and we had a grand time....but thats another story!

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Mike Flack
Message:	I saw the comment about panty hose and have to add something. I remember when Doug Perry, Mike Smith and a few others wore panty hose to stay warm. One time I went into Frederick's of Hollywood in Cumberland Mall and asked the lady if she had any crotchless panty hose. She said she was all sold out because of those men in the mountains who kept buying all of them. That's the way I remember it anyway.

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Joe and Bill I have been going through some old papers to find addresses and additional info for the Plankholders roster and came across some photos, of where we went back to glenville to help fix what we had torn up. I met the man I had talked to the weeks prior and we both had a good laugh. These photos were from a local photographer who was covering the story for some newspaper down that way. It has been a flood of memories going through these old footlockers of paperwork. Can't seem to get alot done as each piece I come across I stop to think about and then tell my wife about. We were not married at that time and several of the old Battalion stories she has never heard. She doesn't see the comedy in it however. We have our youngest son who is in the LRSU Unit here in the Georgia National Guard, which is an airborne unit. Bill I remember the jump in Germany, seems we dropped on a sugar beet field. Dark as it could be, wind was moving real quick across the DZ. I was drug for about a hundred feet before I released my capewells. Those sugar beet stick up out of the ground a few inches so I was beat up pretty good. As I was collecting my chute I was cussing fairly hard when a showdow of a figure approached. Could not even see his face it was so dark. He asked if I was alright and I responded with string of curse words concerning the jump, winds and those damn sugar beets. I asked if he was OK and he responded he was fine. I asked him who he was and he responded Chaplain Parker. He asked who I was and I responded Steve Rondeau and left the towards the assemble area. I've always wondered if Chaplain Parker ever counciled Rondeau on his language. Steve

Posted:	7/25/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	Steve Hawk, I too remember that jump, I was still a cherry to the Batt. seems like rumor was.....more than 1 flight crew was grounded over that goof? Remember the Jump in Germany during Reforger 76 ? Several Rangers were injured on the jump. German civilian medical people were picking up the injured. Due to the cold weather, many had panty hose on, The Germans got a good laugh over that.

Posted:	7/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Steve: Jan and I were married in Feb 76 and in our wedding photo I'm in Class As and with SGT/E-5 Chevrons sewed on, so you would have been a SGT I'm sure, at the time of the Glenville Jump. Joe

Posted:	7/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Yes Steve I remember the Jump on Glenville, Ga. I wasn't in that aircraft so none of it was experienced by me, but we quickly found out what had happened because we were missing a few Rangers in the Assembly Area (due to cross loading). Some of our Rangers were with you. Once we determined what had happened, we went on with the Ranger Mission. We got all of our Glenville Paratroopers back the next day. I never forgot that one, and in fact it happened a second time. It was one of those CARP jumps and one of the A/c Navigators didn't Compute the CARP accurately. That entire plane load ended up outside of Pembroke, GA. That one was a few years ago. What made you think of that one? Joe

Posted:	7/24/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Joe Were you part of the group that jumped DZ Garzac in South Georgia? With us talking about jumping it brought up this fond memory. 1/75 was making a Battalion mass tactical jump at night with full combat load onto St. Lo DZ, just south of Camp Oliver. The engineers had been there for weeks making bridges out of pine trees for us to capture and blow up. I had the blasting caps for our platoon. We were flying C-130s in one minute trail formation, coming north across Glenville before turning due east on the final leg of the route. I was in the last aircraft, Jumpmastered by SGT Garzac. I guess this was around 1976 because I had just made Buck Sergeant. The CCT on the DZ called the wrong tail number for the lead aircraft. When in fact the tail numbered they called was the sixth and trail aircraft. The jump commands were outboard, inbourd, hookup and "GO" we got the green light and away we went. Nineteen of us got out of the aircraft before they stopped the rest of the stick. After my canopy opened and I checked, I looked around and saw street lights underneath me. I thought they had released us over Camp OLiver, as you may remember had street lights. So I turned the canopy around and saw a Dairy Queen, traffic lights and cars all over the place. After a few secounds I saw I was headed for a house and slipped left and landed in what I found out later was a fenced in back yard. I landed in a small tree and went all the way to the ground. I realised I could not stand up, or roll over and I was in a sitting position. After thinking I had broked my back I felt a limb that had gone between my back and the pack tray. I had to get out of the harness and leave it wrapped around the tree. I gathered my equipment and went to back door of the house. Now it's at night, sometime around midnight. I'm all camoed up and I knock on the door of the house to tell them about the tree. The gentleman anwered and was shocked to see me there with my M-16 across my side and equipment everywhere. I asked where I was and he said Glennville. I told him about his tree and he becasue very upset that I had killed at least one side of the tree. After a few screaming words I left tearing down part of his chain linked fence as I atempted to cross it. I think he deserved the parachute so I left it. On the sidewalk in front of the house I met George Taunton. We both decided to travel along the flight path and find more Rangers. A few blocks away we met a young LT under a street light and he had a few privates with him. He asked me if I knew where we were and I told him yes. He pulled out his poncho and red filtered flashlight to look at the map. I told him that we were under a street light and half the neighborhood was awake, I didn't see the need for the poncho. After we got as many people together as we could we started the nineteen mile march to St Lo arriving just as the Battalion was leaving the objective area on another mission. What a drop. Steve

Posted:	7/24/2008
Name:	Jerry Massey
Message:	A friend of mine that works for SAIC is looking for small arms trainers for here in the US. The first place will be Jackson, Mississippi with 2nd BN 20th SF. Please send him an e-mail at, kenneth.t.darville@saic.com , He'll need your resume. Keep in mind he wants Rangers but he'll have to give first dibs to former SF. It will be worth your while.

Posted:	7/24/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Ross: got your note and thanks. Responded back and again, from all of us former as well as present, thanks for the book that your about to publish. Joe

Posted:	7/23/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Perhaps Ranger Rice would know something of the Mountaineering Training that went on at Brawley/Tipton Mountain?

Posted:	7/23/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	No Ross, I didn't. I should have though. It took some time for that Ranger and I to re-link up with the Patrol. I was one of those 32 Recon Patrols, and I was the only RI, which was how that FTX was staffed. The "Bleachers" as Tommy correctly stated some time back, were used for instruction in Mountaineering, and thats why they were constructed facing the cliff side. After the Army (us) started using the 60 ft cliff and Mt Yonah, we pretty much abandoned that site, and yes...it was used often by other elements (no, not the Mason), such as the KKK which was still prevalent in that area back in the 70s and 80s. It is said that they would light up the famous burning cross and do their "thaing" whatever that was right there at that spot, but getting back to the actual story....the site was used for Mountaineering Instruction. I have never been able to pin down the date on when it was used, when we stopped using it, or even what exactly was taught there, but I would guess that it was rapelling. I would also guess that it was used about the time that the Ranger Camp was also using Camp Wahsega or perhaps Pine Valley. We would have to get someone who served there in the 50s or very early 60s to give us more information. The first I ever heard anyone ever mention Mountaineering Training at that location was Columbo, but at the time, I didn't think to ask him more of it. I wish now that I had. There you have it...the story of the bleachers, at Brawley/Tipton Mountain.

Posted:	7/23/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	One of my sons reported seeing some bleachers by an old fire tower "way out on some mountain" but it was in the direction of Brawley. Will try for more info. Joe, when you fell after the student, did you tell him to disregard verticality in his pace count? Al, I'll bring your maps and stuff back to the next meeting. Many thanks.

Posted:	7/23/2008
Name:	Cathy Beck
Message:	Joe I think someone created it after you left and when I got RIF'd in '93' and came back '96' they were no longer around. I have been trying to find one from that era but I can't remember the name of it. Getting too old!

Posted:	7/23/2008
Name:	Jim Regan
Message:	Earl, got your message. Thanks a bunch, will pass it to my friend.Take care and thanks again. Jim RLTW

Posted:	7/23/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Al: you've hit onto the clue...there were (maybe still are some remaining) bleachers. They weren't built by the "Masons"....the US Army built those bleachers, but why? What did we do there back in the early Days of Camp Merrill? Back in the days when Rangers like Doug Perry arrived with his horse and outfit, to protect the townspeople of Dahlonega from the dreaded Indians who would come down out of the mountains and steal their women, gold and whiskey (not necassarily in that order of presedence or concern)? Cathy, I never got no stificate for jumpin on all them DZs. How come? Never saw one?

Posted:	7/23/2008
Name:	Cathy Beck
Message:	Al, that soldier was SPC Milton Pace. You were right, he did come back up to visit camp when he got out, probably to sign out. He was pitiful. I forgot about Davenport DZ. I can't remember all the DZ's that was on that certificate that had the 5 smallest DZ's on it. When a soldier had jumped on all of them then they received the certificate. I know one was Garrett Farms, Davenport DZ, Etowah DZ, and that is all I remember. The certificate had drawings on it of each DZ with the names of it. I know not too many people received one because it was mainly given to the ones that had more experience.

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Joe, I arrived at MRC in 86' 2nd Ranger Co. Went to 5th RTB in late 87' . The Tipton Mtn, Brawley AO was used yearly by the Mason's . Remember the Bleachers up there by the Cliffs ? We were not to use that area, but could utilize the Surrounding forest. There was and is still is a Tower for the Forestry Service, and a repeater for State Patrol, of Ga. We ran CP and patrols out of that AO for about 6 months, the tower was in poor shape and non functional, we all climbed it to throw Arti- simulators and Smokes at the Studs, Joe Nowak should recall that. I remember a stud calling " Danger Close Sgt, and we called back " move your ass Ranger or you'll die " What happened to tne good ole times when you could actually put a Ranger Student into Harms Way ? Not hurt the stud but scare the shit out of 'em Gotta go wife, says I need my beauty Sleep.

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Eric White: I ain't sure where you got all that learnin regards the usage of "Bodacious", but I do know that we share a common interest. Thanks for the definition...I always knew that it meant something like that, or was it connected with Hank Williams Jr. in some way?

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I was moving with a Patrol off Brawley/Tipton Mountain one night traveling east towards the Patrol Base. I was one of those nights that was wet, overcast, and black and black can be. The Patrol stopped for some unknown reason, and I started forward. I then heard a Rangers hollering voice, but it sounded different, almost distant like, but still not quite right. I moved forward more quickly to investigate...and the next thing I know, I'm falling, and I keep on falling. I hit the bottom of this cliff, and lucky for me, I landed on a large soft pile of dirt/mud. I quickly got up, and started taking stock of myself, when I noticed the unmistakable glow of a compass immediately to my front. Only a Ranger student wears a compass around the neck, so I instantly recognized who he was, and that he was the owner of the funny sounding hollering that caused me to move as quickly as I did. I quietly asks me...."Sergeant, are you ok?" I responded..."of course I'm ok, I just came down here to check on you!" How's that for quick wit and keeping up the Ranger image in the face of students? I wonder what he thinks of it...today? Al, where was Desert Two?

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	I asked this question a long time back and the only one who got it right was Tommy Wilburn. What was Brawley/Tipton Mountain used for, before it was used as the 32 FTX CP?

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Al. I must not have been at Camp at that time. I can't recall it happening except to the Ranger Student up on Davenport about 80/81 or so.. In his case, he came down between the wires. I still remember seeing and hearing the electricity as it shot through him. He was medevaced out, and and we heard later that he lost a leg. I should have known better then to wonder about Cathy's memory. It's a whole lot better then mine. We still used Davenport for a long time after that, but a "switch" was installed to shut off power in the event a paratrooper came down near the wires. I think we stopped using that DZ when we stopped using that training area. We used to travel south off that DZ, cross the highway, then moved over the ridge line and into the training area. I don't remember the name of the area, but it was very extensively used on my first tour at Camp. Mike Ramsey would remember all of that stuff, I think he used to be on the old 32 staff. It was up north around the town of Morganton I think.

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Gentelman, had I ever known that by refering to the things we love as " TaTa's " then I would have kept my pie hole shut. Guess I should have said Hostile Projectiles, Pink Nosed Puppies, Tubular Ti--ies. Who would have guessed that such a line would have started on this site where we are all just a bunch of good ole boys ? BTW Steve, ya know I was the HALO Rigger for 1st Batt, when we tested HAHO and dropped bikes for Desert One. Does anyone remember that there was a Desert Two Where was it, were you there ?

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Al Parten
Message:	Cathy, you are right, Joe the jump Cathy is talking about happened I think was at Dial DZ. A RSE guy landed in the power lines, and was hanging, he started swinging from the chute and grabbed the pole, eveyone was hollaring and telling him not to do so. Well when he hit the pole contact was made and he was in flames, blowed his boots off, went through his elbow and out his foot. I was API and was up on Gulf LZ, setting up smokes for the Skids to come in, I stsrted a fire that burnt half the Mountain. Cpt Bowen was the PI and by the time I got back, RSE guy was in route to hospital. I remember he came back to the Club with his Mom and was on cruthces, screwed up his face and arm, sorry Cathy I too cannot remember his name. He was my RTO at Hawk for several cycles, good soldier, had to ETS because of his injuries.

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	You may want to tell your friend to try his luck at gold panning in the Etowah River. Jan actually has some "flakes" that she panned out of the Etowah, north of Camp Merrill, on the dirt road that goes by the motorpool. Take that dirt road to the end. Follow the path north (up hill) until you get to the creek. Follow the creek (down river) and there is a small waterfall. Go to the base of it, and try you luck there. It's was also pretty good spot to do some skinny dipping, but thats another story. Doggone those tatas!

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thats a good story Steve...I'm not surprised by it at all. Funny thing is, the guy never asked. He just jumped into a new harness that was totally strange, and never asked. After several tries and waiting my turn, I finally made it to HALO school Ft Bragg. Several of us had advanced into Combat Equipment Jumps and there we were, 18500 ft, over Sicily DZ, Ft Bragg. It was a clear and cold day, and my "boogey goggles" were half fogged up, but when the needle hit my big fat grease pencil line on the altimiter, I pulled, and came out under canopy, then pulled the forks and played tug of war, with those "slip" risers down to the sands of Sicily. I packed up my chute and started the long walk to the bleachers when over the dunes came a 2 1/2 to pick me up. Different...we never got a ride into the assembly area before, whats going on? I get to the bleachers, get off the truck with the others, when we are ordered to assemble and told about 1LT Harding (SF) who jumped with us, but "bounced". I still remember going by the little vending machine snack bar on the way out to the airfield before the jump that morning, and ordering coffee. The machine dispensed coffee in cups that had 4 cards showing on the side and the 5th card was on the bottom of the cup. 1LT Harding won the coffee draw that day, and all of us "paid up" as we had agreed to do, each and every morning, that we played that stupid coffee game on the way out to the airfield. I remember Harding said "my lucky day!" Every once in a while, I'll get a cup of coffee out of a vending machine, and one of those stuped card game cups, drops into the slot. Every time I see one of those cups, I think of him, on that day saying "my lucky day" and laughing it up. Back at Bragg; after a day of all jumps cancelled, we were assembled in the classroom, informed that that Free Fall School had been closed down by JFK Center due to "too many fatalaties", and we were all sent back home to our units. The course remained closed for close to two years before reopening with brand new equipment, and new training techniques which included the new Free Fall training "wind Fan"....I never made it back to the course. My one time opportunity had disappeared. The Mountain Ranger Camp sent me to Free Fall School, and Operations Sergeant (of Camp at the time) MSG Windham who had given me all types of pre-instruction, and tips was never able to secure another HALO slot for anyone. I went on to 3rd Ranger Bn and and that was the end of my "halo" experience. Not much to it, but I did learn how to use the infamous slip riser canopy. Dumbest rig I ever saw.

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Joe I do remember lining up the yellow marks to land. And it was real tough on the arms, pulling those risers. Your arms were deffinetly tired when you landed. Back around 1979 the 1st Battalion deployed to the Canal Zone and I had been there four times before. So all the HALO folks worked with the SF HALO Team at Ft. Clayton. We had a newly asigned Ranger from the Golden Knights. The guy had over 3000 jumps. So he went with the HALO Team. We had a real good group during the fall but after we reach pull altitude this Golden Knight went directly opposite of the team. We were all within 15 feet of each other when we landed on Venado DZ except this Golden Knight with 3000 jumps. When we found him he was deep in the jungle and hung in the triple canapy. I mean way up in the trees. After we worked for several hours to clear him from the trees. We asked him why he could not stay with the group. He said he could not get the chute to turn. We asked him if he had trouble getting the forks out of the risers and he said "What Forks?" This guy with 3000 jumps had never jumped the MC1. He had never been to HALO school, just sport jumping and Golden Knights. He left shortly after that. Steve

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Jim tell your friend he can pan for free in Yahoola creek at the City Park. It is just below the old Calhoun mine. He might get lucky and pick up some gold. He can also pan at the bridge on highway 60 over the Chestatee river. He will have to stay close to the bridge so he is on hwy. property. Tell him to give me a call if I can help. I'm in the book. RLTW

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Steve: I wondered who it was that painted the Ranger Tab on the pool. I remember one summer, it just "appeared". I had forgotten about the 292 and PRC77 on Ranger Island, and yes, we all had to sign up for something. Because Jan worked at NEGMC, I signed us up for two weeks on Ranger Island, got a summer vacation out there for free, Jan drove a lot less miles to work, and I taught both of my kids how to swim that summer, right there...at Ranger Island. I had always heard that there was quite a Sky Diving club of sorts at the Camp back in the 60s, but by the time I got there, all of that was pretty much gone. Ross, I think most of the ones who could add something beyond 2000 are deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan, but I agree, I also would like to read their stories also. They are the present day "keepers of the Camp", and as such, they need to add their stories. Back to you Steve...I had forgotten about the slip risers....and do you remember that you had to turn into the wind, and "line up the yellow bands" before landing? Yea, sure....dumbest rig I ever saw.

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	There have been so many great stories posted here, so much history. Have you noticed the stories stop in the 90s? Where are the younger guys? We need some 21st Century history, too.

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Jim Regan
Message:	Hard to believe that you all refer back to '82 and '83 as "way back when!" I always thought '69 was way back when! Great reading these tales about Ranger Island etc.Get Earl Singletary to tell about the Freefalls @ Wimpy's and the CH 53,46 Jumps he made with those Skydivers at MRC.(guys like: Ocenas, Thompson et al) Has anyone come up w/ info for "Recreational Panning" (gold) in the Dahlonega area? One of my TLs from the Lurp/Rangers, '68-'69, is interested in an outing w/ his son. He doesn't want to spend a bunch of money on it and would do it just for ----s and grins! Thanks in advance for the info. Best wishes to all. Jim RLTW

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Brian Cunningham
Message:	And who can forget the time several very experienced jumpers landed in Pruitt's junkyard?

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Joe I remember Ranger Island. We each had to sign up for a week long stay for security and equipment sign out. We had fishing boats and equipment, sailboats and other camping stuff. This was long before cell phones and our only commo was PRC-77 with 292 antenna. I would contact passing aircraft, usually medavac headed to Gainesville Airport to refuel. On their back they would hover above the sandbar and drop off resupply. When I ordered beer they would set down on the sand bar if the water was low enough to kick out the beer. We all had extra duties back in those days. The summer of 81 I was assigned additional duties of lifeguard at the pool. I still had to work staff and walk patrols but the rest of the time I was at the pool. We had a civilian, Kay Smith who was lifeguard when I was not available. He and I painted a big Ranger TAb on the bottom of the pool before the start of the season. Thanks Joe for that jar of the Past Memory bank. Steve

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Steve: I remember the "slip risers". Never saw them before or after HALO school at Bragg. Dumbest system I ever saw.

Posted:	7/22/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	There used to be a sliver of land (a small peninsula) that jutted out into Lake Lanier that was owned by the Corps of Engineers. We somehow got control of it, and were able to convert it into a recreational spot for overnight camping and fishing. We installed a small camper trailer and porta-potties were also brought in. Eventually, the interest in the place died out, and as a result, it all went away. The place was called "Ranger Island". It was only for Camp Personnel and their families. This was back in 82-83??? I think. We did a parachute "water jump" there, and reading a previous post made me think of it.

Posted:	7/21/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Great stories all...Cathy, the young man who hit the power lines was a Ranger Student on Davenport DZ. I was on the ground stuffing my chute into my kit bag, and wasn't any more the about 20-30 meters away and slightly under the power lines myself when it happened. I'll never forget that day. After that, the power company installed an emergency "power off" switch that we were able to use in the event a paratrooper came near the wires on future jumps. It was during one of the old 32 FTX patrols.

Posted:	7/21/2008
Name:	Steve Hawk
Message:	Soon there will be new genration speaking about the old style parachutes. The Army is testing the new T-11 parachute to replace the t-10, the MC-6 to replace the MC-1 and a new square canopy to replace the old Halo chute. I've seen a picture of the T-11 and it is almost square, with more square footage of material and what looks like a slider above the jumpers head. It is suppose to reduce landing injuries, carry more payload and the reserve is connected higher on the jumper to reduce back injuries when the reserve is deployed. The article in the Army Times shows several pictures. So soon all the yougster will be talking smack about the old days under the t-10 or the MC1. For some of you older HALO jumpers, how many remember the slip riser rigs where you pulled the forks out of the risers so they would slip.

Posted:	7/21/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Reading about the MC1 brings to mind a funny story. when the MC1 first came out we had a young Cpt SF type come down from Fort Brag to teach us how to jump useing the new chute. After an hour or two in the class room listening to him rant about how great this chute is, we all go out to Moore's DZ for his demonstration jump. there is one tree in the middle of the DZ, thats were the Cpt landed with all the RIs cheering and laughing. He got his great MC1 out of the tree,packed it up and got in a jeep and we never saw him again...Ross there are hundreds of jump stories to be told I think this one of the better ones.

Posted:	7/21/2008
Name:	Cathy Beck
Message:	Do any of you guys remember which jump that the RSE guy landed on hot power lines and got electrocuted? They said that the power blew a hole thru his boot. He survived but had to get out of the Army. I don't think it was Stringer DZ, possibly Garrett Farms. It was in the late 80's or early 90's because the mailroom wasn't built then. He stayed at Augusta Medical Center for months on in. I remembered his name the other day but I can't remember it right now.

Posted:	7/21/2008
Name:	Bud Huber
Message:	Does anyone remember the water jump into War Hill Park?? Complete with families and BBQ?? A really great time! The year was 92 or 93. Tommy Wombat was "Pathfinder 99" and additional duties of jumper recovery...in CSM Edmunds bass boat!!I still laugh my 4th point of contact off!!! Great times there!! All in harms way...stay safe!! RLTW! Bud

Posted:	7/20/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	For Ross: My wife does remember "a" family day barbecue held at Stringer DZ along with a parachute accuracy competition (closest to the smoke bucket jump). She remembers it quite well, and describes Stringer (as it was) right down to the feeding barn, and cow pies, but she can't remember the year. She guesses that it was also in the early 80s perhaps 82 or 83. It was not tied to an open house. It was a totally separate event. We always did our parachute competitions form 3000 feet AGL, and we used MC1-1B canopies and harness. Quite a few of the Cadre became very accurate. It was never a question of "would he make the DZ?"....it was always the question of can he get both feet into the smoke bucket....that really was, and I'm not kidding....just how accurate and experienced some of these Cadre were with a canopy. Many times, when we were just "jumping for pay" on Stringer, there would be a side bet when one would look at the other...usually with feet and legs hanging out...."Closest to the smoke bucket?" Which was the way one would do a beer challenge to the other, and the loser would buy at the NCO Club. I think I did that bet more often with Mike Smith then anyone else...and I'd say we probably "tied" over the years.

Posted:	7/20/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Bill Miller: I just opened a FEDEX box from Mike Martin. He sent me three of his books! Thanks for the linkup. Joe

Posted:	7/20/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Thanks Ranger Thompsin. I have too. Where have we served together in the past? Email direct: jjmattison@verizon.net

Posted:	7/19/2008
Name:	To: Smokin Joe
Message:	I sure have enjoyed the comments by all Rangers over the past couple of days. I'm usually a just a reader, but this time I have to say, I really have enjoyed all of the comments. I want to thank all who have contributed, because I have laughed my a-- off every time I've read the latest update. This really is a great message board and it really is almost "real time" as they say in todays intelligence updates. I still can't believe that someone actually coaxed flight attendants to show off their tatas, and I think that it's great that they did. Todays Rangers would really appreciate what they did, and in fact, I wish that all of them did, just to show the rest of us that this really is what life is all about. Freedom to have fun, without the hangups. Thats right Joe...I remember the phrase..."smokin joe", and why! RLTW Ranger Thompsin

Posted:	7/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Mike Flack: Thanks for the input. I'd often wondered how a 2LT got assigned to the Mountain Ranger Camp and walking patrols, non combat Veteran which was very odd in those days for Ranger Instructors. You've finally put that piece of the puzzle in place for me. McKnight was my XO (a Major) in 3rd Ranger Battalion. He went to Panama (Just Cause) with us. He was a good man, and could always be relied upon for a pretty good laugh or two. After the shootout in Mogadishu, I believe he retired. I have no idea where he's at now. As for the movie you mention....I have a similiar story. I once said....I'll take the one with the "bodacious tatas, and you take the other one"....and now here I am, going on 33 years later, still with the one I picked. There's something to be said about those tatas!

Posted:	7/19/2008
Name:	Mike Flack
Message:	I sure have enjoyed all the latest discussion. It brought back a lot of memories. First on frostbite, I walked a patrol some time around the time Joe is talking about and it was the most miserable of all the patrols I walked. I medevacced seven students that night and was "counselled" by Colonel Guillory the next day. One of the students I medevacced was later assigned to 2d Rgr Co and the XO and became a good friend. He was Danny McKnight, whom I'm sure many of you know. The other things about ta-tas, yes, Ross Hall, it's a shame that some things attract more attention than others, but like Ron White said, once you've seen one pair you want to see all the others. The first time I heard the phrase was in the movie "Officer and a Gentleman" when David Keith and that other guy went to a dance and saw the girls across the room. David Keith said, "I'll take the one with the bodacious ta-tas. You take the other one."

Posted:	7/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Wow Bill, you are going back a ways aren't you. First let me say that this website lists the class that you graduated with, not all the classes that one might have been in. Ranger Training Brigade at Ft Benning are the only one's that I know of who would have a record of what classes you were in and why you were dropped from that class. In my case, I was dropped from 6-74 for Frost Bite, and graduated with 2-76. In your case, the records would be similiar, but I don't think their able to cross match from one class to the next without input. What I mean by that, (unless they have updated the computer system), when they look up your name, it only mentions what class you were with and why you were dropped or recycled, it doesn't direct the reader to go to another class roster. Lastly let me say something about your hospital experience. It sounds like you ended up at the old WWII POW hospital at Harmony Church. Yes, back in our day, that little building was still in use to hold "sick" Rangers who were able to be treated relatively easy and be released, such as "measles" etc. I don't know when it stopped being used in that way, but I would guess that it finally closed sometime in 75 or 76 and all Ranger Students went to Martin Army Hospital no matter what the problem was. A lot of Rangers who graduated back in our days, and used the old wooden barracks at Harmony Church aren't aware of the fact that it was originally a POW Camp that held German and Italian prisoners of war. If you're ever able to return to Ft Benning, take a stroll through the Ft Benning Cemetary and you'll notice some headstones of a few POWs who died while still in POW status. Now, I don't mean to mislead you, because to be honest, the POWs were very well treated and in fact, they were very happy to be at Ft Benning. The cut grass, painted buildings, did carpenter work, cooked, and KPd in the Messhalls and did all sorts of things while awaiting the war to be over and return back to their home country, but like anywhere else, some got sick, and some died, hence...the Ft Benning Cemetary. You actually did spend some time in the old WWII Hospital on Harmony Church. All of it's gone now of course, and in fact, the only thing that I remember that still marks the spot is a concrete marker on the side of the road the said "Ranger Country". Ranger School is still at Harmony Church but it's now relocated where 3rd Ranger Battalion originated, and what used to be the barracks area for a Tank Regiment many years ago with the old 197th Inf Bde Separate. Wow Bill, you really shocked me with that rememberance....that does go back a few years! Joe

Posted:	7/19/2008
Name:	Bill Breen
Message:	Joe Mattison. I was recycled from 2-77 for frostbite. Then I came down with the measels in another class, was recycled... I think, but not sure, 5-77 ? Finally earned my Tab in class 7-77 I think I spent more time in the Mountain camp than some of you RI's Ha! Is there a website out there that lists the classes by student name? I know I froze my butt in 2-77, I also spent a Thanksgiving on the 60 foot cliff. thats the class I cant remember. I know I had to go into town for an exray, when I took off my shirt, the lady doing the exray asked me to raise my arms....I was then taken to Benning and placed in the prison ward of the hospital, I was contagous, they couldnt allow me to be with the general population. Bars on the windows, no door knobs on the doors. what an experience that was.

Posted:	7/19/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To: Joe, Earl, Ross and others...my father in law lives at Tybee Island (Savannah Beach). Three to four times a day, he gets in the car and drives up and down the beach road. He calls it "bird watching" but he doesn't mean as birds like "pelicans". He's in his late 70s now, and he's still out several times a day, looking at "birds" that have Tatas....and oh by the way, he also loves to watch the two "ham hocks, having a wrestling match", as he puts it. Just doggone those tatas and what they do to us....it all starts when we were infants, and apparently, we never grow out of it. To Joe....buddy, I don't know how you do it! I would have walked into a car several times...or stepped on a steep embankment. You'r right Ross, there are some subjects that all of us Rangers love to get involved with, and to think that all of this started with a simple, one line mention of it, by Al. Take care Rangers....and I know that all of us are smiling right now....Joe

Posted:	7/19/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	You know, it's sad when I ask for memories of Open House and get three or four mails, but when the subject of Ta-Tas comes up, it's Katie bar the door. By the way, if I was a student at NGC I would feel pretty safe with Rangers and former cops pulling security.

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Joe Nowak
Message:	Earl and Joe, That's why I work at NGC, the pay sucks, but the eye candy..er....uh Benefits are awesome.It's pretty cool to be able to get the heart rate up and an aerobic work out without ever getting outa the truck.

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Earl, just a piece of advice before you and Doug do the "bodacious" Ta ta drive through NGC. I'd like to recommend that you get your sister to do the driving. I have tried driving and observing for Ta Tas...bodacious and otherwise, and have often had to swerve rapidly back into my lane, and on occasion, having to avoid hitting a pedestrian on the sidewalk. If you take Doug with you, make sure you use the child lock device on the door, and keep his window rolled up and locked also. I have no idea what he'll do, but knowing him...I think he's completely capable of just about anything, and you may find yourself, to include your sister, locked up in the Lumpkin County Jail.

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Earl, I agree with all of your comments. Totally. I especially agree with driving the roads of NGC when the weather is hot, looking for those "bodacious" ta tas...keep me posted. I am truly...very much interested in what you find.

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Oh Eric....you are truly a man of the world!! Thanks for the Ta Ta input...Bodacious!!!

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Hey Joe, thanks for all the kind words. There is one thing I know. Ranger School was tough when I went through, it was tough before I went through and it is still tough. We have graduated the best soldiers in the world and I am proud of you younger Rangers that carry on the Ranger tradition. I pray everyday for our troops all over the world who are defending this great Nation and our way of life...That said now back to those Tatas. Doug and I armed with all the information we have receive will be investigating this subject a lot further. We have been told that the best area to do our research would be on the NGC campus and surrounding area while the weather is hot. I will keep you informed.

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Eric White
Message:	as a pepsi generation Ranger (10-92) retiree i have also heard the term "Bodacious Ta Ta's" utilized. bo·da·cious: [boh-dey-shuhs] –adjective, South Midland and Southern U.S. 1. thorough; blatant; unmistakable: a bodacious gossip. 2. remarkable; outstanding: a bodacious story. 3. audacious; bold or brazen RLTW!

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Bill Breen...glad to see you back on the message board. I was dropped from class 6-74 for frost bite. Came back and did it all over again later...in a summer class. Much better weather...all white thread wearers have truly earned that privilege.

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	When I was at the Mountain Camp, I had an opportunity to participate in an altitude climb with an International Team in the Himalayas. I and the others of the American Team spent 3 months in India. Believe it or not, most of the people in India drive around in a vehicle called a Ta Ta. That was back in the 80s. I would rather have spent that time in England at the Ta ta that Ross mentioned.

Posted:	7/18/2008
Name:	Ross Hall
Message:	I can't help it, I've got to weigh in on this word game you guys are playing. I'm afraid you've got it all wrong, anyway. Ta-ta's was actually the original name of the restaurant we now know as Hooters. It started in England, where men would go out alone to this restaurant, telling their wives, "I'm going out. Ta ta."

Posted:	7/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Postscript: Earl, I spoke with Mike Martin by phone last thursday (I think it was), he's still just as I remember him. He was my First Sergeant of B co, 1/75 back in early 74. We were with 1/75 when it originally formed at Harmony Church, Ft Benning. He's doing well, and in fact, has just published another book. This one is about the USAF Academy in Colorado. He's sending me a copy. You guys really were the best....we just copied what you did during out time...but I'll never admit it. Joe

Posted:	7/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	To Earl and Doug: We of the Pepsi Generation owe you guys a lot. You taught to move, shoot and communicate. You taught us how to improvise, overcome and adapt....you're the reason why most of us are still alive today. All jokes aside, thanks for what you did for us, when we were "soldiers once, and youg"! Always a pleasure Earl to see you and Doug come up on the net. One day, we have to get together and discuss the "tata" stuff...in greater detail! Thnaks for the fun. Joe

Posted:	7/17/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary
Message:	Doug, would you ever have thunk it? We now know what "Tatas" are. In our day I think we had more descriptive names. I guess with the Pepsi generation having to be more politcally correct "Tatas" is good. I guess I will have to get me a new dictionary so I can keep up.Thanks, Pepsi Joe for letting us know... By the way Joe I just talked to Mike Martin. He said he remembered you being in his company B 1st 75th. He said you were a very quiet individual. My, how time changes things... Take care Ranger all in fun.

Posted:	7/17/2008
Name:	Joe Mattison
Message:	Quick Message to our Geriatrics Generation from a Pepsi Generation spokesman.....A "Tata" is only one of a set of two. They are very special devices that can be used in many ways, of which small infants are usually the first discoverers of the "many wonders" of what a "tata" is all about. For the male infants that grow into adulthood, the memory of "tatas" are very strong, and in fact....so strong, that we spend a lot of time, doing with "tatas" what we used to do when we were infants. The proud owners of the "tatas" usually enjoys this special attention that the "tatas" receive, and it usually leads onto other, and greater things. I recognize that as we get older, a small problem begins to develop call "alzheimers"....and one of the first signs and symptoms of "alzheimers" is forgetting what "tatas" are. I am very proud to boast that I have not reached that state yet, and that I still enjoy those pleasurable "tatas" as much as I can coax the owner of the "tatas" to allow me to relive my the pleasurable moments of my male infancy. I still remember what "tatas" are....and all of the rest of the package that goes along with the "tatas"....hence certain medications such as Nitro pills, and Viagra....as well as other "alzheimer" related medications, are not required for me as of yet. Take care Geriatric Rangers....and remember to keep your feet up, your warm blanket on your lap, and always, always, put on your "bib" before eating,....and try not to drool! With love and respect....the "Pepsi Generation" and "tata" lover!!

Posted:	7/17/2008
Name:	Doug Perry
Message:	Earl, webster does not have anything on a ta ta.It does however have a ta ta mi.A floor mat in Japan used to sit on Hey maybe its something you sit on..???.Ross please when you find out put it in your new book, Us old 3.2%'s need to know.RLTW.

Posted:	7/17/2008
Name:	Earl Singletary